Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Roald, Jun 15, 2013.
Though he did misspell "definitely".
Just imagine his reaction to the prequels. Hoo boy!
Whether or not it's remembered fondly at ten years' distance is one question.
But forgotten - in a fandom which is still energetically hashing over continuity issues in "The Alternative Factor" or bemoaning the indignity of 'horsie' scene in "Plato's Stepchildren"? I wonder.
It's been twenty-five years since The Final Frontier and we're still discussing the validity of Spock having a half-brother.
Are you kidding?
What does it matter if they recycled a scene as long as they did it well? Which they did in my opinion.
I'm honestly not sure any newer movie will be regarded as a classic the way Star Wars is now. New films, for all their awesome spectacle, are just too commonplace nowadays.
Even Avatar, the highest grossing movie of all time, probably won't stand the test of time. Does anybody even talk about Titanic or The Matrix anymore?
I think long-running franchise films are a bit different though. We're still here talking about the Star Wars prequels and the Next Generation films.
The only reason anybody still talks about the SW prequels is because of how shitty they were compared to the original Star Wars trilogy. If the OT didn't exist and we started with the PT, I guarantee nobody would be talking about them because they're just so damn forgettable.
As for TNG films, who exactly is still talking about them? We few nerds on a message board? They've hardly made an impact on the movie-going experience as a whole.
How can we say if something will be a classic in ten years time now? Unless somebody here is either a time traveler or a soothsayer there is no way to tell unless it's your own, subjective opinion.
As for mine, this has to be my favorite Trek movie next to TMP. So I will be enjoying it in 2113 and 2023!
Yep, they've been rehashing and remixing plots since season one.
STMP is the Changeling writ large.
TWOK is Balance of Terror meets Space Seed.
Most techonogod keeps civilization down stories are pretty much the same. Usually ending with Kirk blowing up a computer.
Because they didn't do it well. That's my opinion.
Those films were done well. That's the difference.
I admire your confidence.
And no one will make you watch the film ever again.
WoK reused the exact same launch sequence from TMP, yet it's still a classic. ID puts an interesting alternate-reality spin on a scene from WoK and it's unforgivably derivative? Please.
I would disagree, especially about TMP, which is a mess. Odd pacing. Characters who barely resemble their TOS counterparts. Wonderful to look at, until it begins to drag and you fall asleep.
I think if you look around you'll find quite a few people who think The Motion Picture and The Wrath of Khan aren't very good movies. I happen to like them both as well as Into Darkness.
Taste is subjective.
You're comparing a launch sequence that lasts mere seconds to one of the most important scenes of Into Darkness? Give me a break.
If you're against reusing material then you should be against reusing material.
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