Stewart talks about domestic violence in his childhood

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  1. Captaindemotion

    Captaindemotion Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Not sure if this is the right forum to post it in, but it seems as good as any.

    Patrick Stewart, aka Captain Jean-Luc Picard has written the following moving, if disturbing, article for the Guardian newspaper, about his father's abuse of his mother while Patrick was a child.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/nov/27/patrick-stewart-domestic-violence

    On a brighter note, there's a cute pic of Mr Stewart as a baby!
     
  2. cultcross

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    Yeah I read that in the paper this morning, it was quite a powerful piece, I thought, and something I didn't know about the good captain. The most vile part of domestic violence is the deafening silence that tends to accompany it. At least these days the attitude of those in authority has largely changed. However, you still hear casual remarks about women 'pissing off' their husbands and all-but-condoning slapping them around because of it.

    Refuge are a brilliant charity, I am glad to see Patrick Stewart supports their work.
     
  3. scottydog

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    Wow. Reading this made me speechless. How horrible for him. Mr. Steward deserves great credit for overcoming the scars from such a childhood. I wish I could hug him right now.
     
  4. Praxius

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    Sounds similar to the white ribbon campaign here in Canada http://www.whiteribbon.ca/

    My favorite band ever, The Tea Party, played a big role in getting them off the ground and they used their song "Release" in a number of fund raisers, awareness campaigns and benefit concerts.

    It's interesting that Patrick, whom was a part of my favorite show growing up would be in a similar organization.

    And it's also good to hear that he can come forward and be open about such a past, because the more people expose these type of situations, the more easier it is to not just become more aware of it, but to gain more support against pig headed jerks who only seem to try and solve their issues with violence.
     
  5. Deranged Nasat

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    A shame he doesn't give a crap about the men who are victims.
     
  6. JarodRussell

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    First, all he does is talking about his own experience, and then he says this:

     
  7. SiorX

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    He's talking about his personal experiences. In his case, as in the majority of cases, the abuser was a man. He does mention as an aside that male victims are in the minority, which may rankle with a group who have problems with being marginalised, but he's not silent on the issue. More importantly than that, he's outing himself - a man - as a survivor of emotional domestic abuse. So I think, yeah, he probably gives a shit.

    Dismissing people who do talk about domestic abuse because you don't think they're doing it the right way is another silencing technique and helps absolutely nobody.
     
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  8. scottydog

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    Ironically, his childhood scars helped propel him to success as an actor. He even acknowledges this. Some of the most creative people use their pain to express their genius. As Spock would say: Fascinating.
     
  9. Deranged Nasat

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    No. Male victims are not a minority, nor is it true that men are the majority of abusers. Women abuse men and children (and women) as often as men abuse women and children (and men). Any and all studies NOT performed by radical feminists in the last 20 years have demonstrated that men and women are equally likely to be abusers and equally likely to be victims. If either you or Stewart can't distinguish between reality and feminist propaganda, that isn't my fault. And don't you DARE suggest I'm encouraging silence. YOU are the one doing that, saying I should be silent about the blatant mistruths Stewart- and you- are spreading, those that prevent action being taken to give men equal protection to women. Do you have any clue how few shelters for battered men there are?

    Still, go ahead and spout your ideology and sweep the truth under the carpet. I'm used to it by now.
     
  10. scottydog

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    ^Do you have a reference to a study to back your claim that men are victims of domestic abuse as much as women? I'm not saying you're wrong; I'd just like to see the data.
     
  11. Deranged Nasat

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    I can't give you a link, no, but check out any study of the last 20 years not performed by a radical feminist group and it will pretty much support what I'm saying. Alternatively, if people bothered to access the websites, blogs and so on dedicated to these issues, THEY will give you links and references (that's where I read about it, and yes, the sites did have references and links aplenty).

    I do not want this board being used to spread blatant lies about serious issues.
     
  12. scottydog

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  13. Captaindemotion

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    ^ So we're meant to take your word for it without a shred of evidence to back it up? Oh, get real! :rolleyes:
     
  14. Deranged Nasat

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    GO ONTO THE BLOODY SITES AND READ IT YOURSELF. ANYWAY, SINCE THE FRIGGIN EVIDENCE HAS BEEN THERE FOR 20 BLOODY YEARS AND YOU STILL BELIEVE THE FEMINIST PARTY LINE WITHOUT A SHRED OF TRUTH BEHIND IT, WHERE YOU GET THE GALL TO GIVE THAT OBNOXIOUS EYE ROLL i DON'T KNOW.

    I'M SO FRIGGIN SORRY I DARED TO BRING THESE MISTRUTHS TO YOUR ATTENTION

    I suppose you think battered men are just crybabies who should "man up", eh?

    Do some damn research, actually- gasp!- go onto sites dedicated to issues like this and read the evidence and the studies for yourself. If you can bear turning the feminist drip-feed off and actually consider the issue from all angles, that is.
     
  15. Praxius

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    Few and far in between.... and besides, they're men... they can suck it up and take it like one :evil:
     
  16. Praxius

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    Agreed... be thankful he's willing to bring attention to some form of violence, as he has no obligation to do so and could have very well kept his mouth shut over his own experiences..... you just can't please everybody it seems.
     
  17. Deranged Nasat

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    And I've already answered this.

    You deniers may want to keep the issue in the dark, or maybe you're just ignorant, I don't know, but as someone who takes violence extremely seriously, I cannot tolerate your mistruths and attempts to deny victimization.

    And, no, lies do not "please" me, nor does denial of violence.
     
  18. Praxius

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    Oh please, cry me a ditch..... I'm probably one of the bigger mouths on the internet towards equality towards men over the years, and I'm usually one of the first to point out discrimination towards men due to various feminist and other groups who seem to want to leap beyond just equality, but unless you actually provide sources to your above claims about it all being on par, you're just ranting with no substance.

    I've come accross some information that could support your claims, but overall information is varied on background reasons.

    Regardless, both forms of abuse from one gender or the other should be stopped and addressed.... Patrick and others have started their own groups for the support against violence towards women.

    Rather then bitching and complaining that they're not covering every gender in a way you'd like, how about you step up to the plate, put your money where your mouth is, and start up your own organization in support for your own cause of protecting men from domestic violence?
     
  19. Deranged Nasat

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    Maybe I'd take this seriously if you hadn't posted the "male victims are a minority and they can suck it up because they're men" post.

    And I've cried a lot more than a "ditch", I can assure you.
     
  20. Captaindemotion

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    You haven't even named any of these Oracle-like, canonical, gospel truth 'sites.' Why should I go waste my time looking them up on your less-than-reliable word? And where does this Line In the Sand like figure of 20 years come from?

    It's nothing to do with feminism and propaganda. It's a simple fact that men are stronger and bigger than women and are more likely to use violence. The bulk of violent and sexual offenders are men. That's not to dismiss violence by women against men - or any violence - but to pretend that it's as big a problem as male-on-female violence is simple nonsense, the sort of whinging, self-pitying and distorting crap spouted by the likes of Fathers 4 Justice.

    I bet you think that Michael Chrichton's Disclosure is a realistic and cutting edge depiction of sexual harassment in the workplace. And have you perchance ever hung out on a motorway or landmark building in a superhero costume?