State of Trek according to Entertainment Weekly

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by HaplessCrewman, Sep 24, 2013.

  1. Awesome Possum

    Awesome Possum God's Perfect Idiot Moderator

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    Because they make these movies for a wide audience and the characters are the best known to most people. Also for the most part it worked rather well. I don't think they needed to fully redo the ending to TWOK. But watching it with people who aren't really fans or even aware of most of Trek, it works. Especially with Kirk's "death scene". It showed that Kirk has finally grown up, he's willing to die to save his crew without hesitation. Also Spock's reaction was important character development, he's over his obsession with death completely and has figured out that Kirk really is his friend.

    It could have been handled differently, but it works especially with people who haven't seen TWOK a million times. Their reaction to Spock screaming Khan isn't laughter, but saying that Spock's pissed and about to kick some genetically engineered ass.
     
  2. BillJ

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    I'm not convinced it isn't just a vocal minority. How many different polls and websites do we need to link to showing that many, many more people enjoyed Star Trek Into Darkness than didn't? The poll in this forum shows 56% of those who voted rated the film an 'A-' or better. Rotten Tomatoes shows that 241,000 plus people have rated the film an average of 4.3/5.

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_into_darkness/

    It was the #1 home video release last week.

    So where exactly are these hordes of unhappy people?
     
  3. Awesome Possum

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    All are in this forum, well them and their sockpuppet accounts.
     
  4. Nerys Myk

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    Nah, there were people who were pissed.

    Was there a reason to bring in characters from Space Seed to STII? Or the Borg into FC? Oh yeah, people know who they are.

    He's a professional and since the movie has increased Star Trek's profile overseas, he has grown the franchise.

    He's still with Star Trek.
     
  5. HaplessCrewman

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    Yeah, everyone loves this movie and no one is unhappy.

    It got 72% on Metacritic.
    http://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-trek-into-darkness

    So there's no problem here. Move along.
     
  6. BillJ

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    Actually that's the critic rating you're referencing...

    1,038 users averaged out to a 7.9 rating. Which is close to the 4.3/5 given on Rotten Tomatoes. Of course, 241,000 people is a slightly larger sample size than 1,038.

    So my question still stands: where are these hordes of people who hate the movie?
     
  7. M'Sharak

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    Wouldn't "disappointed" be a point somewhere nearer the middle of a hypothetical pleased/displeased scale and "butthurt" a good deal closer to the "pissed" end of the scale? (As far as that goes, do we really need to use the term "butthurt" in here? Surely, there's something better and less disparaging.)

    Remember that this thread not in TNZ, and that any discussion of sockpuppets ought properly be via the Notify button or PM. Just sayin'.
     
  8. Opus

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    I posted and linked Interstat. That hasn't gone up either.

    Yeah, unbiased.
     
  9. Opus

    Opus Commodore Commodore

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    Exactly. All three of them.
     
  10. Therin of Andor

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    I recall then-editor of Pocket Books, Marco Palmieri, once saying that he'd much rather that each new "Star Trek" tie-n novel polarize the readership, than to merely pitch for the middle ground and reach it comfortably. Imagine: every Trek novel predictably uncontroversial, and neither loved nor hated. Meh.
     
  11. King Daniel Beyond

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    Another article that cites Las Vegas convention poll (100 fans from 15,000+ convention goers, but of course that part is never mentioned) as if it's something meaningful, and thus fails completely. I didn't even read further. They might as well cite Bernd's raving about the Enterprise design and size on EAS - after all, EW did quote him about the NX-01 being "too advanced" back in 2001.
     
  12. Shazam!

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    Well you probably should have as the article goes onto state:

    I thought it was a reasonably balanced article but y'know, whatever.
     
  13. JarodRussell

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    The creators started that divide with all their bashing against old Trek. "Not you father's Trek", those "Nacelles Monthly subscriber" remarks, the constant justifications for the fast paced style with "old Trek was lame and boring", and all that shit.

    Gotta love that. And even more original work coming from Orci. He might get millions for it, but seriously, the guy is a hack. When he does write something original that is not a reboot or sequel borrowing from other films and franchises, wake me up.
     
  14. BillJ

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    More than anything, it sounds like you're jealous of his success. :shrug:
     
  15. King Daniel Beyond

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    If he's a hack, and complaints about Into Darkness are copy-paste jobs of 1982 Wrath of Khan complaints from Interstat, does that make Harve Bennett a hack as well?
     
  16. Shazam!

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    A. Why would it? and B. What if it did?
     
  17. King Daniel Beyond

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    A. Because the complaints against both movies are so similar, it stands to reason the writers have similar ability levels.

    B. Just curious. If it does, I guess I just like hack writing.
     
  18. Franklin

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    If STID borrowed heavily from TWOK, then TWOK borrowed heavily from Moby Dick.

    The two characters TWOK and STID have in common: Carol Marcus and Khan.

    The major villain in STID and not in TWOK: Admiral Marcus.

    The MacGuffin in TWOK: Genesis. The MacGuffin in STID: 72 photon torpedoes with Khan's people hidden in them.

    It boggles my mind after all these months that some still call STID a TWOK rehash. How is it? Really. Let's see someone post an itemized list of the similarities. Scene by scene. Plot point by plot point. Theme by theme. It should be easy. Right?
     
  19. Bad Thoughts

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    Let's see: hack Bennett revived Khan but also helped develop the Starfleet Academy angle. I'd say hack Bennett<hack Orci.
     
  20. King Daniel Beyond

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    You mean that prequel film that was never made? Sounds to me like they even had similar ideas about what to do with Trek...
     

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