Starship Size Argument™ thread

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by WarpFactorZ, May 1, 2013.

  1. Chemahkuu

    Chemahkuu Admiral Admiral

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    The new official cutaway image from the publicity/magazines disagrees and gives us a proper look inside. As does the music video which uses the model from the movie, and the docked-at-Yorktown looks inside.
     
  2. WarpFactorZ

    WarpFactorZ Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Got it. The STiD Enterprise was the correct size until it wasn't. :vulcan:
     
  3. Tuskin38

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    The Into Darkness model was probably still the same model from XI, which was made at 300+ meters and then scaled up to 725 meters

    The new model made for Beyond appears to have been made at ~700 meters.
     
  4. King Daniel Beyond

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    The Ryan Church concept art was designed at 366 meters. The ILM CG model was designed much larger. Just look at the bridge window, which would take up the entire height of the dome ifthe ship were the same size as the last one.

    And as said a million times, the windows in ID match the deck heights. Here are the set blueprints superimposed over the ship.
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  5. King Daniel Beyond

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    And here is why 366m doesn't work with the deck spacings established by the plaza set:
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  6. SpaceLama

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    Although I don't wanna dispute the size of the ship - lets just go with 725m....

    ....the top image is creative in it's attempt to portray the truth, for example in how the red line deliberatly gets placed through the flooring on the top image, rather than taken right to the edge of the hull breach, just to make it look like the deck height is the minimum possible, and how it assumes no ceiling overhang with the top red line.
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  7. King Daniel Beyond

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    ^Your guy's drawn a bit on the big side, if the top of Kirk's head only reaches 3/4 of the way up the corridor wall. Also, it would appear the saucer rim windows have been made taller for Beyond:
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    Also, here's a very quick comparison of the ST'09/Into Darkness Enterprise and the Beyond version. Looks like they've kept the overall length the same:
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    And now, something I've had sitting on my HD for about a year:
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    *mic drop*
     
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  8. USS Einstein

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    Having seen the movie, I couldn't tell what size the ship was meant to be, although I'm sure people will find new evidence in abundance. But one thing I did notice, was that the saucer indeed seemed to have two decks, from what little I could see, with the small appearance of people within the windows being a distortion.

    Doesn't mean I can't be wrong, because I barely saw it, and I also does not rule out a large Enterprise, because there could be lots of room between decks, but thought you all might be interested. Who knows, maybe the studio are aiming for a size between 366 and 725 - like 400-something? Would the shuttlebay fit in something that size?
     
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  9. Gonzo

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    No it wouldn't, that was considered at the start, indeed many believed the ship was maybe 500m - 600m at first but as more footage was shown it became clear even that was just too small.

    Then we had the official size details from the designers and that's how we got the 725m we didn't just pick a size at random.

    There is lots of room between the decks, some decks may even be double height as well, if the function of the space requires it, would explain the lack of windows in those areas of the saucer edge.
     
  10. King Daniel Beyond

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    That Popular Mechanics cutaway uses the actual ship CG models. There's no doubt that and the flythroughs of the crashed saucer are based on the same scale and concepts
     
  11. Anduril

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    This thread should get going any day now.
     
  12. Lakenheath 72

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    The Enterprise has at least 31 decks. (I am taking this information from the report by Chekhov as he notified the bridge crew of breaches.)
     
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  13. gerbil

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    I noticed that, too.
     
  14. Crazy Eddie

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    It's only not huge in a single scene and is consistently scaled throughout every subsequent appearance for three consecutive movies. Star Trek Beyond is, if nothing else, the final nail in the coffin for this entire discussion.
     
  15. Crazy Eddie

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    They're not.

    No.