Starship Size Argument™ thread

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by WarpFactorZ, May 1, 2013.

  1. Crazy Eddie

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    Star Trek is an old topic; Khan's Chest is an old topic; blue warp nacelles are an old topic. Captain Robau's badassery is an old topic.

    There's "old topic", and then there's played out and busted. Bernd Schneider is the latter.
     
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  2. BillJ

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    But we really don't know if it's too big for the era, because we only ever saw one ship from that era.
     
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  3. SpaceLama

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    Yeah, although I'm not too fussed either way, we have waved shuttlebays away before as magic shuttlebays, i.e. Voyager.

    Anyway, let's wait for Beyond - it will probably give more evidence of a 725m ship I'm guessing, but you never know.
     
  4. Gonzo

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    That's fair enough.

    Unfortunately in this case it is not a question of belief or the need for justification, the ship is 725m long, not maybe, not perhaps but a few still seem to be in denial about it.

    When the first film was released there was room for people believing what they wanted as it was not certain at the time and brand new, after 6 years of investigation and even more new evidence in the trailers that time has most definitely passed.

    Some think if they whine enough or setup embarrassing Facebook pages it will somehow alter reality in the way they want.

    It's all rather ridiculous to me.
     
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    Thread: Officially past sell-by date. *STAMP*
     
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  6. Anduril

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    It's still good! It'll be revitalized in a week or so.
     
  7. jamestyler

    jamestyler Commodore Commodore

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    "One of the windows in this model is 1 pixel smaller than the other model, which confirms my theory that despite all official sources, they're clearly wrong!"

    It's coming.
     
  8. Anduril

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    Looks like the edge of the saucer is two decks tall in this latest teaser.
     
  9. PixelMagic

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    Looks like 3 or 4 to me. The windows are just on every other deck.
     
  10. Anduril

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    So there's no room for Jefferies tubes and such then?
     
  11. Crazy Eddie

    Crazy Eddie Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I think there is, if by "Jefrries tubes" you mean this:
    [​IMG]

    There's room for a WHOLE DECK between those windows. Going by the xbox/ps3 game, though, I think that the deck structure of this Enterprise doesn't have the 3 meter layer cake concept we're used to; I actually think each "deck" is a habitable space about 6 or 7 meters high, containing corridors and rooms, air ducts and cable trunking in the floors and ceilings, high bays and low bays for some labs and machine spaces, water pumps, heating and cooling equipment, etc. IOW the main reason for the deck structure is probably the fact that THIS Enterprise does not have paper-thin floors and ceilings and that the space between one deck and the next is packed with equipment.
     
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  12. Gonzo

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    I was going to respond with the same but decided to wait until the film was released as someone will bring it up again next week as if they have had some sort of revelation and found the holy grail.

    Confirmation bias is alive and well once again.

    All they have to do is look at the depth of the saucer at the edge and the teeny tiny people in the windows as King Daniel already pointed out.
     
  13. Tuskin38

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    Look at the size of those people, they would have to be HUGE corridors.
     
  14. Anduril

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    They do look huge. What are you getting at?
     
  15. Tuskin38

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    But they're not.
     
  16. Mytran

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    We saw the size of the deck thickness in STID, when they walk through the centre atrium set. It was not more than a couple of feet
     
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  17. Anduril

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    So basically there's no consistent size for this ship. Sometimes it's huge, sometimes it's not.
     
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  18. Mytran

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    When is the NuEnt not huge?

    All it takes is to have some decks without windows, which are hardly a neccessity.
     
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  19. Gonzo

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    They still live in hope even after 6 years.

    It's a bit tragic really.
     
  20. WarpFactorZ

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    But we've seen a "cutaway" of the saucer on screen; there is no room for full decks without windows (see below). They'd have to be crawl spaces, e.g. TNG style Jefferies' Tubes.

    The image we see of "tiny" people in the windows in the Beyond preview is not the same scale as the ship below, if those really are "tiny" people....