Starship Size Argument™ thread

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by WarpFactorZ, May 1, 2013.

  1. Coco Pops 1967

    Coco Pops 1967 Hey there! Premium Member

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  2. Coco Pops 1967

    Coco Pops 1967 Hey there! Premium Member

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    OK I was watching Into Darkness again and I spotted something interesting. Those windows around the edge of the saucer everyone argues over. They are single decks. This damage on the saucer shows what looks to me like two decks on that edge area.

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    The red bits are a corridor
     
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    OK sorry for another post but thinking on that photo if the red lit bit in my photo is a corridor then that saucer is big, very big. So the ship must itself be huge, and wasn't there something like 7 or 8 thrusters on the bottom of the saucer alone that was holding it up in the air when the warp core came back online?

    How in the hell?

    Also when they flew away from Nibiru in the beginning of the movie it sure as hell sounded like they had jet engines or something for atmospheric flight. Does the ship have that?
     
  4. King Daniel Beyond

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    Behold!
    Made this ages ago. That's a 725m Enterprise and 8' corridor heights.
    [​IMG]
     
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    I didn't know it was looked at before on here.

    So this ship is a ton bigger then the original movie refit ship is it not?
     
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    Ooh it could be. ;)

    P.S OMG Diagrams....
     
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  8. King Daniel Beyond

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    It's a lot bigger than the original. The classic movie Enterprise was supposed to be 305m long, this one is supposed to be 725m. Both need some movie magic to fit everything where it's supposed to be, but there's no doubt they intend it to be bigger. Here's the people that made the CG model saying it, from the ST'09 bluray extras:
     
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  11. Chemahkuu

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    Nope, the cutaway shown in the Beyond thread answers a few questions, the areas towards the edge of the saucer aren't nearly stacked decks, but specialised areas depending where around the rim it is. And there are around 4-5 decks of space at the edge, only some of it is decks and corridors, some occupy the full height, this broken area has two decks in the middle that we see, and other equipment above and below.

    She's 725 meters by the new diagram. Or somewhere in the 500-600m range at least.
     
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    For those who arn't familiar, some material put out in connection with the 2009 film suggested that the Enterprise from JJ Abrams movies was bigger than the Enterprise D - something that seemed a little unnecessary and gratuitous - and which didn't fit with the CGI model, which had been designed by the production team with the classic size in mind (i.e. the windows are about right for something around 300m).

    [​IMG]

    Now a new schematic published in a magazine, seems to show a 300m Enterprise:

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    Looks like it has about 12 decks in the saucer section, like the original Constitution class.

    [​IMG]

    Thankyou for listening, whoever made the schematics.

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  13. BillJ

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    I count 16 saucer decks on the Abrams version if you count both domes, I count 12 total on the original.
     
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    I do have a question. You put "dwarfs any other Starfleet ship without reason", which Starfleet? Because all the Abramsverse ships seem to match the scale of the Enterprise.
     
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    Don't look to me that schematic's debunked anything. You're not fitting 24 shuttlecraft into a 300 or 366m ship. One look at the little multicolored dots representing crew walking down the corridors tells you we are in something very roomy. This ship was supersized and streamlined for comfort, no cramped anything.

    725m looks about right for that.
     
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    Take your meds bro
    The ship may be ugly but it's officially 700 meters plus
    The cutaway only reinforces that. The JJ Galactiprise interiors are enormous compared to the original. The hanger bay is easily 3 times the size alone, the shuttles are almost twice as long as the originals, engineering, and so on and so on
    Look at the scale of the Franklin next to it upon the right hand corner (the white cameos)
    Not sure if a certain segment still beating this drum are next genie fans with "starship" peeped envie or what but let please let it go.
    1. It's a reboot. Hollywood is rebooting everything bigger louder and dopier and some day 25 yrs from now they will reboot the next genie universe and that ship will be a mile long.
    2. It's fiction. If you prefer make believe world A it's still there in your dreams and the media you grew up with
    3. The ship gets blown up again,but this time permanently so you'll have an even bigger rebootier version to torment your days with all the less important problems in the world
     
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    Its 700m plus. Get over it.

    (then again the thing doesn't even exist so the actual size of the enterprise ncc1701 is exactly 0.00000000m long.)
     
  20. Chemahkuu

    Chemahkuu Admiral Admiral

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    Yup, I checked the high res of both, and look at the size of the crew, they're not even visible properly in the Abrams Enterprise, she has 14 full decks, 16 layers to the saucer alone, the arboritum in the saucer is bigger than the one in the engineering of the refit 1701.

    She's massive.