Starship Size Argument™ thread

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by WarpFactorZ, May 1, 2013.

  1. BillJ

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    Trust me, we'd notice. And the change was put in probably to note that some time had passed.
     
  2. EJD1984

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    And to sell more (updated) Enterprise merchandise.
     
  3. anh165

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    Well if that is the case, perhaps it would have been better for the stuidio to have
    allowed the Vengeance to destroy the Enterprise instead of it losing power at that moment before she deployed those phaser canons of death and thus allowing Starfleet to build a new Enterprise

    But I personally wouldn't like that idea so I happly take what they did.
     
  4. Belz...

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    Or...

    Allowed the Vengeance to destory the Enterprise and allow Kirk to steal the Vengeance and keep it. It's ugly, but it would be a hell of a twist.
     
  5. EJD1984

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    I have a feeling that if there are ever plans for Star Trek to return to television in the near future, in the 2016 movie they may just fully destroy the ship so that the TV producers can start fresh.
     
  6. Belz...

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    I'm not sure a TV series would involve the Enterprise.
     
  7. EJD1984

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    I just watched part of the History Channel special - Star Trek: Secrets of the Universe, and there were some nice shots from the new movie.

    From this (high-res) close up of the Bridge at the end of the movie, in comparison to the first movie, the window appears to be substantially taller. In consequence, the area above the bridge in the original 2009 construction pictures appears to have enough room for two decks. Now it looks like there is only room for maybe one deck.
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    My (personal) conclusion - ILM has shrunk the Enterprise size down by 15-20% at the end of the movie.
     
  8. Kpnuts

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    That bridge shot is from the middle of the film, not the end. And why would ILM scale the size down, it makes no sense? More likely the model from the 2009 teaser trailer is just out of date, understandably so.
     
  9. EJD1984

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    ^^^Middle or end - There is a real change here. Watch the first 00:45 seconds of the special, and compare the height of Kirk walking up to window, and you'll see.
    Plus there is a pan over from the end of the new movie at the 2:22 mark that matches up.

    Maybe ILM and the producers listened to the fans criticism and did a slight/small appeasement.
     
  10. Belz...

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    I think we should compare with the first movie, not the trailer for the movie. But let's check a shot from '09:

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    It's hard to say because there seems to be some CGI lens-like distortion... but it doesn't look quite the same scale. It's still _much_ bigger than the 'classic' 1701.
     
  11. Kpnuts

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    There's far more distortion on the first pic. I can't imagine they would have two different sized models used in the same film.
     
  12. Belz...

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    That's my thought, too. Mind you, they wouldn't have to do anything but resize the part we get to see, but between that and the refit at the end of the movie, I don't see a reason, so unless we get a better view, I'm unconvinced.
     
  13. trevanian

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    Or because this different impulse deck would look better when they have to 'pop the top' and do a saucer separation in the next one. I mean, the dish, due to its TMPedness, is the only part that isn't aesthetically displeasing to some of us.
     
  14. trevanian

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    But this is a movie that supposedly has the moon a quarter million klicks from Earth. If Scotty's estimates are as far off as that not-so-little goof, that would shrink 4 meters down to about 2.5, wouldn't it?
     
  15. Locutus of Bored

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    The gap between the bridge and saucer is about fifty meters across. I don't recall from the movie whether Khan lands on a collapsed building after jumping from the bridge or if he lands on the saucer, but I believe Chem is saying he landed on a building first and slides down that, which could explain the size discrepancy from Sulu's thirty meters comment.

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  16. SalvorHardin

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    Throwing this in here. Maybe it could be used to compare ship sizes.

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  17. Belz...

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    Where'd you get that idea ? They drop out of warp at that distance, and the moon is a bit farther (about 384,000) so I don't see the problem.
     
  18. trevanian

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    There was some backNforth either here or on trekmovie saying the film indicated the moon was a quarter million km from earth instead of a quarter million miles. Was just basing my comment on the idea that this was a known error from the film.
     
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    The differences between the 09 shot and the STID-shot can be attributed to totally different angles and, probably, zooms.

    But there is a difference after the refit.

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  20. King Daniel Beyond

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    It looks to me like they've made a higher-detail version of the window housing for the zoom-in. Not sure if they've altered the size.
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    Top pic from the end of XI, second when they're at the edge of the neutral zone in ID, last when they're falling to Earth.

    Here's a rough idea about the position of the bridge:
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    I've got the bridge and turbolift plaza each at 40' across (on a 2380' Enterprise), which is pure guesswork.

    And here's the clip of Kirk in the "turbolift plaza":
    [YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_qqPMMTSaw[/YT]