Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Size

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  1. Shilliam Watner

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    Go and take a look at the size of the saucer of the ship crashing into the bay and compare it to the size of the city buildings it's headed for while out of control. It is massive. Now in the motion picture, how wide across do you think the saucer was? Not as wide as the one crashing into the bay that the resembles a updated NX-01 configuration. The saucer on that ship out of control is just as wide or if not wider than the 1701-D. Again, I am using the foreground buildings as a reference in scale comparisons and the distance out in the bay as the ship heads closer towards the viewer. Has anyone noticed this?
     
  2. Dukhat

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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    Huh? There's no evidence of scale at all in that scene.

    And even if the ship is as large as the Enterprise-D, so what? The nuEnterprise is as large as a Galaxy class too.

    And do I really need to point out that scale in Trek has never been consistent anyway?
     
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  3. Shilliam Watner

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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    But common sense tells us it is not!!
     
  4. Jackson_Roykirk

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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    But the movies' art designers tell us it is (actually, they say it's even larger than the 1701-D).
     
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  5. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    Common sense has nothing to do with it - it's Trek canon.
     
  6. Lord Garth FOI

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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    Yup new E is actually bigger than either NextGenprise

    And I still prefer Daniel's length of 1200 meters anyway which was the proposed scale of the new E before they decided on 750ish m
     
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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz


    I think you mean 1200 FEET, not meters (probably a typo, considering the rest of your post). The designers of the ship for Abrams' film originally wanted to make the ship 1200 feet, which still would have been about 30% larger than the TOS Enterprise, but smaller than the TNG Enterprise. However, by the time they were done, their design grew to about 2300 feet, which is larger than Picard's ship.

    So, yeah -- like you said, 750-ish meters.
     
  8. Shilliam Watner

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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    So what's your take on my post about that ship in the bay?
     
  9. chardman

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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    My take is... It's big?

    Assuming it's as big as the "D" or even larger: So what? How does that present a scale problem?
     
  10. Devon

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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    Exactly. I'm not really seeing what the problem is here....
     
  11. Lord Garth FOI

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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    No according to the art of the film and early john eaves interviews they had set it at 1200 meters In fact in the coffee table book it was listed at 1200 meters
    It was then finally downscaled to 750ish officially
    In any case bigger than puny nextgenprises
     
  12. Lord Garth FOI

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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    No offense brother but as others have said why is there an issue? Nutrek ships are bigger than next genie ships anyway
     
  13. SalvorHardin

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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    I don't get what the problem is supposed to be here.
     
  14. Captain Rob

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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    I have problems with the water splash effect. It looks like the result of a very small ship. If you look at film of icebergs the size of the nuEnterprise calving from a glacier. When they hit the water, the tremendously huge volume of water moves like a very thick fluid. Moving in a very large slow-moving wave spreading out from the impact point. Not splashing high into the air like someone threw a big rock into a pool.
     
  15. billcosby

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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    One fictional starship may be larger than another fictional starship.
     
  16. Timo

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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    That a great many people will get very soggy?

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    This is the type of stuff I never think about for a second.
     
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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    The size of the bridge bridge window, the network of corridors around and behind the bridge, the saucer rim and neck windows being the same size as the one on the bridge, the enourmous shuttlebay full of big shuttles and the engineering complex tell us the ship is far larger than the one seen in The Motion Picture or The Original Series.

    We briefly see the old and new Enterprises together in this cute little Phase II fanvid:
    [YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbMVLtFGiy4[/yt]

    Although the scale changed during the film's development (and the ship appears much smaller on the ground, to fit the shipyard/power plant location), the model was apparently detailed to be 1200 *meters* in length. See here for details: http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=137050
     
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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    This video shows me how impressive Matt Jefferies original Enterprise is and how well it holds up vs. modern incarnations of the design.
     
  20. Bishop76

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    Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

    Exactly. Why does this matter at all?
     

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