stargate bridge ideas

Discussion in 'Trek Tech' started by varek, Jul 13, 2014.

  1. varek

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    Allen Steele, in his book Coyote Frontier, talks about a stargate bridge that connects Earth with a distant planet. In fact, once two portals have been positioned and synchronized, vessels can jump almost immediately across the vast distances of space connecting them.

    Steele also suggested that the second ship was composed of the parts needed to construct the second portal gate, which could be built from these parts, once the ship had arrived at its destination.

    Could a starbridge be formed by creating a standing wave between two oppositely charged portals?

    http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/waves/u10l4b.cfm

    You might be able to fire a noble gas--like abundant argon (Ar)--from each end, from each portal, to create the necessary standing wave between them that creates the starbridge.

    Perhaps you could use the propulsion system, like VASMIR that uses argon for its propulsion, for the second portal.

    http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/shuttle/support/researching/aspl/vasimr.html

    I would also suggest that it might be possible to use the cantilever system of constructing such a bridge, so that you extend it as you go.
     
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  2. publiusr

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    I like the stargate system described in Buck Rogers In The 25th Century

    You have four neutron stars connected somehow by the looks of it.
     
  3. sojourner

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    You might want to look up the word "cantilever" before using it in a discussion involving astrophysics. Also, not sure if you are talking Star Trek tech or actually proposing constructing "stargates". Are you in the right forum?
     
  4. varek

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    I realize that cantilever applies to bridge-building, but I was extending it to mean that you might be able to build your starbridge from one end, rather than to have to wait until your crew could travel (the old-fashioned way) to the second location and construct the gate.

    The reason I suggested it here is to be able to pick the brains of so many brilliant physicists and engineers who frequent this site. A starbridge would greatly expedite travel--even faster than warp speeds--if developed fully; you should be able to cross vast distances almost instantaneously (by comparison), between the two portals. You wouldn't need to find a wormhole.

    It's just a project to carry us beyond what has been done here before--kind of like the soliton wave project.
     
  5. varek

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    Thinking about it last night, I feel like my standing wave and the gravitational force may be the same thing. If we can work backward from pressure--which I believe is the effect of gravity on the surface of the mass/object being acted upon--as with a diamond anvil cell (dac), we might develop a better understanding of gravity.

    I think the gravitational force is force over distance-squared, so it is force directed toward another object, over a distance; while pressure is the force over area, in one location.

    If the gravitational force and this standing wave are the same (or very similar), we could be using gravitational pull of the distant object (say, a planet) as the propulsion source for our craft, in this starbridge. Then, as the craft approaches the destination, it could go into standard orbit around that planet, as it decelerates.
     
  6. Ithekro

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    Well they have some of those.

    There was a planet in the Delta Quadrant that had a limited range transporter that could instantly teleport many light years away.

    There was the Iconian gates that could go about anyplace (one assumes in range)

    And in the new films, transwarp beaming, which I would assume would be more effective if there was a known receiving point on the other end.
     
  7. Dryson

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    Varek,
    I understand where you are coming from with your idea for a starbridge. The main issue to remember is that the more force applied to an object regardless of the amount of force the wave is directly applying to the object the gravitational pull on the object from outside influences will still limit the velocity to below sub light speed.

    I have been debating a theory about E=MC^2 being present prior to the Big Bang that actually created suns and blackholes and other objects that create a gravitational effect on photons that create the velocity of light speed.

    The theory suggests that E=MC^2 would not have been present prior to the Big Bang thus allowing particles to travel at faster than the speed of light because the gravitational determining factors involved with creating the speed of light would not have been present.

    This means that if you could somehow negate the gravitational influence around one of star bridges as well as long the linear direct that the bridge is pointing in then because gravity is not present in the form of E=MC^2 then theoretically a ship could be propelled through the bridge and its vector at faster than light speed velocities.

    How does one reduce the gravitational influences present in the Universe?

    1.First locate solar systems with very low magnitude suns that would produce very little gravity but could still be used as an emergency stop off if an problem occurs.

    2.The bridge should be placed in solar system locations where there are small suns and relatively few planets. Having fewer planets means that less gravity and possibly a gravity loop hole, a location in space where there is not any gravity due to the orbital patterns of the planets within the solar system moving away from one another opening a gravity free tunnel in between would present.

    3.Investigate the actual process involving the Higgs-Boson Particle where smaller particles are attracted to the particle passing through the Higgs-Boson that then has mass added to it due to gravitational influences. If the particles that are still not known where they come from can be blocked from effecting particles that pass through the Higgs-Boson then mass is not created which then in turn creates gravity

    Gravity is the attractive force between two objects at a fixed distance r. The strength of gravity is proportional to the mass of the two objects and inversely related the distance between them

    http://www.yalescientific.org/2010/10/mythbusters-does-zero-gravity-exist-in-space/

    When a ship travels faster and faster through space all of the particles become a clump of objects that create gravity as the ship accelerates towards them and away from them both at the same time.

    Taking the ability of particles to create gravity away based upon the Yale article above means that a starship would be able to occupy a point in space time without gravity being generated between the clumped particle mass in front of the ship and behind the ship.

    The conduit itself would have to have the ability to regulate the process of adding mass to particle just like the Higgs-Boson does so that the conduit could be cleared of particles allowing an E=MC^2 environment to be present while at the same time being able to re-introduce the Higgs-Boson process back into the conduit in order to slow the starship down over a period of time and distance.

    The key to star bridge Varek is to understand that E=MC^2 would not have been present prior to the Big Bang and if the particle creation can be retraced to point of when gravity first occurred after the Big Bang then few seconds directly after the Big Bang occurred could be studied to understand how to keep or at least inhibit particles from creating gravity.