Starfleeters?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by DavidGutierrez, Oct 3, 2013.

  1. DavidGutierrez

    DavidGutierrez Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    What should we call folks who are in Starfleet? Folks in the army are called soldiers, folks in the air force are called airmen, in the navy they're sailors, and don't call a marine anything other than a marine. Even in the coast guard they're guardsmen!

    So, what the heck should we call folks in Starfleet? Crewmen? Explorers? Starfleeters? Starfleet officers is most commonly heard in canon (even when referring to Chief O'Brien), but that doesn't begin to cover everyone in Starfleet.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Admiral Admiral

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    Starfleet officer has worked for the past 47 years, I say we go with that.
     
  3. C.E. Evans

    C.E. Evans Admiral Admiral

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    I just go with Starfleet personnel.
     
  4. DavidGutierrez

    DavidGutierrez Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    What about all the chiefs, NCOs, and enlisted men and women? They aren't represented in that term. The great thing about the term "sailors" is that it represents every member of a navy, not just the officers. And, it seems very likely that the officers are the minority in Starfleet.

    No, we need something better.
     
  5. C.E. Evans

    C.E. Evans Admiral Admiral

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    I could see that being used in the same sense that "police officer" is used for a beat cop even if that person doesn't really have an officer rank. It works if we lose the idea that Starfleet is exactly like the U.S. Navy and more of its own thing.
     
  6. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Admiral Admiral

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    Considering Chief O'Brien is the only enlisted man in all Starfleet, this isn't much of an issue.
     
  7. BigJake

    BigJake Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I personally think "galanaut" has a nice ring to it. We have just, by sheer coincidence, always cut away from any scene where someone might have used the term right before they said it.
     
  8. T'Girl

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    That my take on it, Roddenberry was a LA cop like his father, everyone being a Starfleet "officer" wouldn't depend on whether or not you held a officers commission.

    But other than that Starfleet is of course exactly like the US Navy.

    :)
     
  9. C.E. Evans

    C.E. Evans Admiral Admiral

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    Oh, there's plenty of instances in which Starfleet isn't like the U.S. Navy, namely in regards to its chain of command and some personnel practices.
     
  10. J.T.B.

    J.T.B. Rear Admiral Premium Member

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    That doesn't seem to be a great fit, as police forces don't generally have a commissioned/enlisted division, which Starfleet apparently does, so there is no issue of confusion. Also "police officer" is related to the older term "peace officer," not descended from military titles the way Starfleet's ranks appear to be.

    Or if there are more, nobody seems to care much about them. Maybe in the spirit of Gilligan's Island they could just be "Starfleet officers, and the rest!"
     
  11. R. Star

    R. Star Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Except even O'brien has been described under that label of "Starfleet officer."
     
  12. C.E. Evans

    C.E. Evans Admiral Admiral

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    It fits all right, but a police force's chain of command can vary from city to city.

    In some cities:
    Chief of Police (or Police Commissioner)
    Colonel
    Major
    Captain
    Lieutenant

    Sergeant
    Detective
    Corporal
    Officer

    Other cities may include or substitute ranks with Sheriff, Commander, Inspector, Deputy, and more. Other cities have different placement of ranks, placing Detective higher in their chain of command than in others.
     
  13. J.T.B.

    J.T.B. Rear Admiral Premium Member

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    Right, but those are just titles. There is not a distinction between police officers who hold commissions and those who don't.
     
  14. Bry_Sinclair

    Bry_Sinclair Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I have used "Starfleeter" before, but that is always in a more relaxed manner--never really official by any standards, often used by civilians.
     
  15. C.E. Evans

    C.E. Evans Admiral Admiral

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    But the set up (which is my point) is the same way, including having different insignia--and in some police departments, different duty uniforms as well--for those with the rank of lieutenant and up. They're all referred to as police officers regardless if they are a corporal or a colonel.
     
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  16. Shawnster

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    I'm sure there are difference in pay:evil::rommie:
     
  17. J.T.B.

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    But the set up is not the same. Starfleet has personnel who are categorized as "officers" and others who are not. Police agencies don't, they are all "police officers" because they are all peace officers.
     
  18. C.E. Evans

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    Actually, it is. It doesn't have to be literally termed as commissioned and noncommissioned, but there is indeed a distinction between those who do "grunt work" and those with administrative duties. And as with police departments, it could be easily be a case that all Starfleet personnel could be referred to commonly as officers regardless of their actual rank or duties.
     
  19. DavidGutierrez

    DavidGutierrez Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    While I understand your logic, I don't agree with your analogy. Starfleet - while not an exact duplicate of the US Navy - is much closer to being a military force than a police force. Thus, we should seek analogies which display greater similarities.

    In the spirit of the above paragraph, it seems like referring to Starfleet-folk as "explorers" would probably fit well.
     
  20. J.T.B.

    J.T.B. Rear Admiral Premium Member

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    No, it is clear that not everyone in Starfleet is considered an "officer" the way members of a police department are. In "The Drumhead" Picard asks Crewman Tarses whether he ever considered going the Academy "to become an officer." That line would make no sense if all Starfleet personnel were "officers," since Tarses is clearly serving in Starfleet at the time.