StarFleet Officers that are A..h...s

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by KaineMorrison, Jul 10, 2014.

  1. Ithekro

    Ithekro Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    USS Enterprise was not efficient. It was not military in nature. Most of the times they had been in combat they won via luck rather than any sort of military tactical sense. Half the time the ship blunders in to traps only to find a way out of them via scientific or diplomatic skill, rather than combat.

    The nature of the mission against the Cardassians is entirely military. Starfleet does not have time for the crew of the Enterprise to get caught in a Cardassian trap and then diplomat their way to victory. What they need is to setup a trap and force the Cardassian's hand and get a resolution to the problem. If that fails they need a quick combat response rather than diplomacy. Picard was known for diplomacy. Riker was known for unorthodox tactics. But here, if they failed with their trap, would need a straight up military solution.
     
  2. Mojochi

    Mojochi Commodore Commodore

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    He had all the success he needed. They saved the day. Actually, Once Riker was relieved, the crew cracked that mission right open, & he even brought will back in despite personal embarrassment, because it was the best call

    I don't diminish the excellence of the crew. They're called the best for a reason, but it is a ship designed for peace missions, & Jellico outright expects the whole thing to fall apart and lead to war. He also said Picard could very likely end up dead, and it very nearly came to that.

    I know you don't care for this point, but because Jellico said so! You HAVE to assume the captain is telling you the truth, not only because he's in command & that's what being an officer is all about, but because the alternative is that he's LYING to e v e r y o n e !

    That flies right in the face of him being a renowned, & decorated captain of excellence as he is presented to us. Frankly, he tells Picard he needs the ship ready for battle, & doesn't have time to befriend the crew & give them a chance to grow to work well with him

    If that was untrue, about the ship needing to be made ready for wartime, then why didn't Picard call him on it in private, right there? He's a man of strong words & convictions when he wants to be, but shuts his face right then... because he knows there's some truth to it. They are a ship of peace that can defend itself well in battle, that has been tasked with a mission that will likely end in becoming a ship of war in a hot zone, for a loooong time to come, with a new captain, because Picard is dead behind enemy lines. Picture the 1701-D in Yesterday's Enterprise, Look how differently they run. I know it's alt-timeline, but it's still the same ship & nearly the same crew, & they have to work differently than what we are used to, and Jellico needed something like that, & he needed it in a matter of days
     
  3. Disco

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    Sorry I just can't agree. I don't believe all the changes were neecssary or that they were implemented correctly. I may well be wrong but I am not convinced by your evidence.
     
  4. Mojochi

    Mojochi Commodore Commodore

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    So you're saying a respected Starfleet captain is a habitual liar because he has an ego problem, rather than accept that he's telling them things which are true and necessary?

    Well, that would make him much worse than just a jerk or an asshole. It would mean he's jeopardizing the whole mission, and the safety of the ship & crew, & potentially risking war with Cardassia, just because he wants to be bossy?

    That just doesn't make any sense to me. You're basically saying the man is unfit to be a captain, & where is the proof of that? and why did no one ever come out and say that or call him out on it?
     
  5. Disco

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    No I'm saying that he was mistaken. He approached the issue incorrectly and failed to engage or listen to his crew. He got the results but his methods were poor.
     
  6. T'Girl

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    If they actually "regularly" make mistakes they wouldn't be commanding officers at all, or at least not for very long.

    Starfleet command certainly wouldn't transfer such an officer onto the flagship to handle a crisis. If Picard had had a reputation of "regularly" making mistakes he wouldn't have been given command of the Enterprise.

    :)
     
  7. Disco

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    Yeah pretty sure I'm losing this debate :lol:

    I still don't like Jellico though :p
     
  8. Mojochi

    Mojochi Commodore Commodore

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    Lol. I get what you're saying. And it's not really the same to say you dislike him compared to him being a bad captain. Disliking him is fine, but saying he's captaining poorly means he's either lying about what he & the mission needs, or he's completely wrong about the whole mission, such that he's demanding unnecessary things. Either way, that is a completely inept commander, & since he's the mission specialist, and is privy to all the specifics, in a way that the others aren't, it stands to reason that he is not totally inept, or false. They put him there knowing he isn't those things
     
  9. TheNatural

    TheNatural Ensign Red Shirt

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    How Nechayev still had a job when DS9 rolled around is beyond me (I know it wasn't actually her, but even still it implies she is still around). She was terrible, and in the case of her dealings with the characters in the show, always wrong.
     
  10. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Clean Old Mod Moderator

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    (Damn, just when I thought I could leave the bunker....)