StarFleet Officers that are A..h...s

Discussion in 'The Next Generation' started by KaineMorrison, Jul 10, 2014.

  1. Marsden

    Marsden Commodore Commodore

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    He was not a Klingon, though.

    That was a great commercial.

    Actually, if there was ever a movie/show showing StarFleet's Marines training camp, I could see him as a Andorian Drill Instructor.
     
  2. Makarov

    Makarov Captain Captain

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    It's because he's a mindless automaton that he worked so well with Jellico :techman: That's exactly what he seemed to want in a first officer & crew.

    Jellico could have de-escalated the Riker conflict easily by showing the slightest empathy with the crew that lost their captain instead of blowing up at him. Instead he looked much worse to a crew that already wasn't happy with him. As for Riker not being able to fit in with a crew that didn't want him, he pretty much did in the episode where he is in the exchange program with klingons. Jellico didn't have the same ability to adapt.
     
  3. jimbotron

    jimbotron Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Deleted scenes of Chain of Command did show Data being hesitant about Jellico's leadership.
     
  4. Disco

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    He was prepared and he was clear about own objective but there was no need for the running of the flagship of the fleet with the best officers who had seen war before to be changed so dramatically and so quickly. Things worked well on the ship and had worked efficiently in battles before so by making so many unneccessary changes all Jellico did was upset the crew without reason and upset work patterns prior to a possible war. He would have been far more successful making small changes and accepting the ability and experience of the crew was sufficient to face the Cardassians.
     
  5. Ithekro

    Ithekro Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    How many of his changes did they keep after Picard came back?
     
  6. MacLeod

    MacLeod Admiral Admiral

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    Troi in a Starfleet uniform.
     
  7. jimbotron

    jimbotron Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Weird that with all the talk about removing the fish from the ready room (to appease Stewart, etc.), it returned almost immediately after Chain of Command. :confused:
     
  8. T'Girl

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    How many Chief Engineers did Picard fire in the first season before settling on LaForge?

    :)
     
  9. Ithekro

    Ithekro Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Why didn't they have a chief engineering in the main cast at the start, or even a regular secondary character for that posting?
     
  10. Salinga

    Salinga Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Because the 1701-D was considered to be so advanced and flawless, the ship didnt really need one. I think this came from Roddenberry.
     
  11. jimbotron

    jimbotron Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    But it needed a therapist .... ooooookay.
     
  12. Avro Arrow

    Avro Arrow Commodore Commodore

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    ^ Ships can be advanced and flawless. People... not so much. ;)
     
  13. T'Girl

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    What they really needed right from the start was a therapist for the warp drive.



    :)
     
  14. Ithekro

    Ithekro Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Temperamental the warp core is.
     
  15. Mojochi

    Mojochi Commodore Commodore

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    I said Riker couldn't command a crew that didn't want him, in the face of a war no one thought was avoidable & then avoid it. Managing to not get gutted on a Klingon ship when you're a douche like him is impressive, but not comparable, & they spent 6 years up to then, illustrating that Data wasn't a mindless automaton. That's why it stings. Data is just more logical than the others & realizes that though they're difficult, the demands are not unreasonable, & a practical goal. Picard has demanded the difficult & unreasonable before, but it is tolerated because he has cemented good relations over time, a luxury Jellico didn't have in their current crisis. Even when Picard manages the "Season 1" crew in All Good Things... & they do react oddly to him, he still has the advantage of knowing them very well, even if they didn't know him yet
    I maintain that there is no proof of this. People who come down on Jellico always base it on 2 things. Firstly, that the things he was asking were overly demanding, or completely unnecessary. I don't have to prove that his orders had reason. He's the captain, & he must be a really damn good one, because HQ plucked him from his established ship & put him onto another, due to his expertise, despite the difficulty it posed in crew relations. People need to prove why his orders are unnecessary, and "Because the Enterprise crew never had to do those things before" is not a valid answer, because not only don't we know that for certain, but the Enterprise hasn't done THIS mission before

    Secondly, that he lacks leadership skills. Again, he is the captain of his own ship. Clearly, under traditional circumstances, he must be worth something in the managing of people. He has the same job as Picard, & is at the top of a list to take the Enterprise in this situation.

    So it is more logical to suggest that this singular circumstance posed a condition that meant he wouldn't be able to introduce himself to a new crew as he normally would. He had to adjust to crisis protocol & expect them to do the same without a proper shakedown.

    Being a dick came with that assignment. He can't possibly be the kind of dick the crew made him out to be... all of the time aboard his own ship. That's essentially saying this guy has no right being a captain, & the facts don't support that conclusion
     
  16. Salinga

    Salinga Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Kirk about the 20th century people in the US: "This is an extremly primitive and paranoid culture." Seems, he is an asshole after all. ;)
     
  17. The Old Mixer

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    That line got a good laugh at the theater.
     
  18. Ithekro

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    One wonders what missions USS Cairo was on most of the time.
     
  19. DarthPipes

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    My guess is that children weren't onboard the Cairo. Still, I wonder what a "Captain Jellico Day" would have been like.
     
  20. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    ^ You'll notice that Jellico decorated the ready room (on the Ent-D) with pictures drawn by his son, so I'm guessing that a Captain Jellico Day wouldn't be out of line on the Cairo.
     

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