Star Wars The Clone Wars Season Six

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  1. Mr Light

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    Revenge of the Sith was jammed pack with plot enough as it was... adding in half of the clones rebelling against the order would have been another 15 minutes...

    Not to mention the entire point of Order 66 was to kill all the Jedi in one fell swoop unawares. Any survivors would just disappear into the woodworks and form an underground resistance that would plague the Empire for decades.
     
  2. Ancient Mariner

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    Part of what that arc did, for me at least, was to drive home just how manipulative Palpatine and Dooku are. They really are playing both sides of the war, prolonging it deliberately, knowing that doing so helps Palpatine consolidate his power. And it's only when he's within striking distance of his goal that he gives the Order.

    Too bad for Dooku he did live long enough to see it happen. Kinda makes that look on his face just before he lost his head all the more meaningful. :lol:
     
  3. Mr Light

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    In the ROTS novelization, it makes it clear that Dooku was in on *everything* and was told he would be the right hand man of the galaxy when the war ended, so he was quite surprised when Sidious told Anakin to chop his head off :lol:
     
  4. cooleddie74

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    Yeah, that's what many books published during and after the theatrical run of ROTS clearly state. One of the big glossy Visual Dictionaries explained in its bio of Dooku that he had spent more than a decade fancying himself the future co-ruler of the galaxy at the side of his master Sidious. He became so swept up and blinded by the idea that he was destined to be one of the two most powerful beings in the known universe that when the moment came for Anakin to destroy him he was completely taken aback and felt betrayed.

    A bit odd considering that the Sith had a long history of one member betraying and vanquishing the other to take their place as Master or make way for a new apprentice, so one could say that Dooku felt so privileged in his position that he believed his Master wouldn't dare dispose of him. He was much too important to the cause and had a "special" relationship with Sidious. Pride was his ultimate downfall more than Anakin Skywalker.
     
  5. Set Harth

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    Well, I hope it's not a sign of the apocalypse or anything, but Leland Chee has finally done something useful. He tweeted the TCW chronological episode order:

    216 116 T 301 303 101-115 117-121 201-203 217-219 204-214 220-222 305-307 302 304 308 122 309-311 215 312-322 S4 502-513 501 514-520 601-613

    ( T means the film. )

    Plagueis felt the same way. Oh well.
     
  6. Mr Light

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    Oh that reminds me I have to re-read the quite excellent Darth Plageuis novel :evil:
     
  7. cooleddie74

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    And it so very, very excellent. It has its own Hasbro action figure now.
     
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    My favorite arc out of the final 'season' was the clone trooper arc, and I definitely felt emotional at the end of said clone trooper arc.

    Now, this also reminds me - and maybe someone can help - but didn't an older clone trooper show up in one of the comics? I think he sacrificed himself for a mission, if I'm remembering correctly. Wouldn't Order 66 still be 'working' within his head?

    Also, we've seen clone troopers who were deserters or, in actuality, those who wanted individuality and freedom). Many found this individuality through love since there were some who started families. Wouldn't Order 66 be 'dormant' in these troopers as well?

    With 'Rebels' I'm hoping to see clone troopers once again. (We would have to!) And, I hope we get to see what is up with Asokha, as the tide of the universe turns.

    There were a couple of things I missed with the Yoda arc (since that particular arc kind of lost me, and I found myself browsing online while things were going on). So, I may have to watch it again.

    I may have to also read that Darth Plageius novel.;)
     
  9. cooleddie74

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    One of the two best SW novels of the past decade if I do say so myself. Just sayin'.
     
  10. Mr Light

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    "Darth Plageuis" basically explained EVERYTHING about Sidious and his master plan for the entire Prequel Trilogy. And it was a damn good character story too.

    6X8 "The Disappeared Part One"

    Definitely the least objectionable Jar Jar episode ever. The moment we had Indian-voiced characters telling the hero about disappeared people I immediately said to myself, hey, this is Temple of Doom! And then it just got moreso :lol: I don't like the way Mace didn't take his lightsaber out until the end of the fight; was he trying to be non-lethal with all the people trying to kill him? Was it a censorship issue because they were living people instead of droids? Huge negative points for the implication that Jar Jar is having sex though :barf:
     
  11. Ancient Mariner

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    Why the heck shouldn't he enjoy an intimate encounter? He does have a very long tongue, after all.

    :p
     
  12. Mr. Adventure

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    Whachu meensa yousa is pregnant?
     
  13. Set Harth

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    That's the way I interpreted it, yes. But maybe there were out-of-universe considerations of censorship involved...
     
  14. flavaflav

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    Just finished watching season 6. Absolutely fantastic from start to finish and it seems to have benefited from only being 13 episodes. If it was a full 22, chances are we would have gotten quite a few stinkers in there like we did in previous seasons. Every story arc was wrapped up, with the exception of Maul. Maybe he'll resurface in 'Rebels'. The clone arc was probably one of the best arcs of the entire series. Fives getting killed was really a bummer. The Jar Jar episode was very good and had me laughing out loud. Nice to get the Yoda arc to answer the force ghost questions too. While I'm sad Clone Wars has ended, I'm also very happy. I ran it's course and it's the perfect time to move on. Can't wait for 'Rebels'...
     
  15. billcosby

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    Stubborn and silly I decided to watch all of them in one sitting. :mallory::rommie: Needless to say I was nodding off at the very end of the Yoda arc, as the sun was rising... leaving me wondering WTF was actually happening vs. force visions. I'm certain I would not have been as confused about it had I not been falling asleep but... the ending (climax) seemed very convoluted with the pot of stew being brewed by the two resident Sith and then it turned into Star Wars: Inception. Still, it answered questions that I figured would never be explained in-canon.
    Order 66: Fantastic start... I thought the second one was very slow and the conclusion was interesting enough. Fives' story cradles the entire series - very interesting. The fight at the beginning was very cool. Perhaps it best served to show how the clones has really grown to value their friendship with the Jedi, something that was hinted art but not really crystal clear in ROTS and adds a lot of weight to the eventual activation of Order 66.

    Clovis: A real clunker. Besides the two action scenes which bookend this three parter, this one is the low point of season 6. Redeemed a bit by the Anakin vs. Padme angle... not explored enough in TCW. I just can't believe that after all those boring senate stories they still had one more to do. Come on, guys. JarJar>Senate Intrigue. Somehow I thought this storyline would include many moar bounty hunters so you can imagine my disappointment with only getting one of them (and a fairly incompetent one at that).

    JarJar & Mace: Surprisingly, I really enjoyed this one. Somehow. I don't know how it happened. I actually lol'ed when Jar-Jar got some ass (gawd). The leg lift had me howling. This was great in the midst of these serious 4 parters and the action was reasonably exciting. Not a bad way to say goodbye to Jar Jar for good and the Temple of Doom thing was really quite fun. I know people hate the fact that magic exists in the SW universe but I think it fits in reasonably well in this series.

    Sifo-Dias/Force Ghosting: This one was, as I say above, confusing. Once I rewatch and determine what's real and what isn't in terms of force visions I'll be okay with it. Still, I'm amazed at what answers it finally brought to the Star Wars universe. So relieved these stories weren't flaky like the Mortis trilogy. The guest voices were well worth the price of admission.

    On a final note, I won't be racing out to buy comics to find out what happened to Maul or any of the other series regulars. It's only Maul who I feel has a story thread dangling (I'm perfectly satisfied with how everything else sorted itself out) but I certainly won't be following up with any print materials to gain closure. It's sloppy. They could have chosen to address Maul's fate in the final 4 episodes somewhere, even if on a throwaway line. I know Maul won't be welcome in Disney's sandbox so I can't help but think this was the biggest mistake in the series - to bring back a character (to great disdain and ire among fans) and then drop the baton on the way out (Disney merger). It's almost as cool as Alf getting abducted by the Alien Task Force on the series finale of Alf. Way to go, guys. ;)

    My feeling was that Obi-Wan had to end up killing Maul for good, that way they wouldn't have to retcon everywhere it is written that "Obi Wan defeated Maul" because that is the way it was written after episode 1, now fifteen years ago. But then again, maybe my personal canon includes Sidious frying Maul to death mere seconds after the huge duel with him and Savage... and I'm fine with that, too!

    Bring on Rebels, Star Wars as a television serial totally works.
     
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  16. cooleddie74

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    I thank the Maker that in my many travels throughout the SW collecting universe over the last decade and a half that I have yet to run into the customizers who created an action figure of Jar Jar with "erotic" features.

    Although, given Rule 34 which often applies in the offline world as much as it does online, I wouldn't doubt one exists.
     
  17. Mr Light

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    "The Disappeared Part Two"

    Gee, Netflix loading screen for this episode, thank you so much for spoiling the fact that Mother Talzin was in it... :mad:

    Decent two parter with a minimum of Jar Jar annoyingness. Seeing Mace Windu duel Talzin was particularly awesome. Were we supposed to believe that she died at the end? Or did she fake it, turn invisible, and run away?

    Also, I wasn't happy with her saying she wasn't a Force user she had to steal it from others...
     
  18. flavaflav

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    I think she ran away. she pulled the same thing in a past episode.
     
  19. Reverend

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    For what it's worth, the transfer of force powers to non-force users is something that's been used in the EU before. The Valley of the Jedi from the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight games springs to mind. If memory serves, the mechanics of that are actually very similar.

    Also, wasn't there some kind of force enhancing crystal from the old Alan Dean Foster novel? IIRC the crystal actually originated from one of Lucas's many early Star Wars drafts.
     
  20. Christopher

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    I just finished the season, so now I can read the thread...

    I feel that, for an interrupted season, this worked quite well as a closing season for the series. The first two arcs were interesting conspiracy/thriller stories with dark endings, reinforcing the palpable sense of hopelessness of Episodes II & III as Palpatine manipulates everyone and consolidates his power. The Fives arc in particular worked very well as a paranoid thriller, and its inevitable tragic end was quite poignant. One of the best things about this series is that it took its title The Clone Wars to heart and actually made the series largely about the clones, making them as much central protagonists as any of the Jedi. And this was a great conclusion for the clones' arc. It reinforces their worth as people, and thus makes it more painful to know how Palpatine has used them as mere pawns in a game that we know he will win.

    The Padme/Clovis arc wasn't as powerful, but it also played well into the arc of Palpatine's growing control, and it was a nice capper on the Anakin/Padme arc, forcing them to confront the problems of the relationship that's been pretty much simmering throughout the series while also foreshadowing the darker times that lie ahead. Few stories in this series have done a better job showcasing the potential for evil within Anakin.

    The Mace/Jar-Jar 2-parter was a nice change of pace, lightening things up a bit, and it provided a satisfactory resolution to the Nightsisters' threat by evidently getting rid of Mother Talzin once and for all. And I liked the comic timing: Jar-Jar gets some action, and then we cut right to Mace saying "There is a great disturbance in the Force." :lol: Disturbing indeed...

    And the Yoda arc made a really good series finale, as the Jedi finally begin to get a sense of the true manipulations behind the whole war and the foundations are laid for the future of the franchise. The finale of the Tartakovsky series led right into Episode III, but this finale foreshadows not only that, but the original trilogy as well (which makes it appropriate that they got Mark Hamill to play Darth Bane). Also nice to hear so much use of Williams's Yoda theme.

    I'm curious about how far along these episodes were when the cancellation came. They've clearly had the opportunity to do some re-editing for Netflix, since at the points where it feels like there should be a fade to black for a commercial, we just get screen wipes or jump cuts. And the last episode's closing shot and alternate end title music was clearly a "made-for-finale" affair.