Star Trek VI: The Remade ''Package''?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by Karl Shoottheglass, Jul 15, 2014.

  1. 2takesfrakes

    2takesfrakes Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    STAR TREK V sucked! Why would Jerry Goldsmith want to score another dud? I'm certain that Jerry Goldsmith's being unavailable had nothing to do with "price." It had to do with having pride and being concerned about the bankability of his name.
     
  2. BillJ

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    That makes no sense.
     
  3. mos6507

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    Goldsmith scored more Trek films than anybody else, and by virtue of that he also wound up having to score less well received films, which he didn't seem to mind. In the interviews I've seen of him on Youtube he seems to have developed a sense of part-ownership of the Trek franchise by virtue of how synonymous his music is with Trek. The TMP theme belonging to two franchises (TOS and TNG) makes it second only to Alexander Courage's in its ubiquity. He seems to have been a genuine Trek fan. Maybe he wasn't at first, but he became one eventually.

    This is different from James Horner who seems to view the two Trek films he scored as merely stepping stones to bigger and better things. A much more mercenary attitude.
     
  4. trevanian

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    ROCKETEER's budget was more below-the-line, meaning there was a LOT more available to spend on the movie instead of the stars.

    I interviewed Meyer within a day or two of TUC being greenlit (didn't know that at the time) and he told me there was no way they could afford Horner. That isn't a retcon or him misremembering stuff like he does in his book, that is absolutely the state of affairs at that moment in time.

    It was a very short phone interview, but I put Christopher Young forward as strenuously as possible, citing his unused stuff for INVADERS FROM MARS (practically outGoldsmiths Goldsmith), but I'm guessing Meyer was already well into his Holst thing, hence the other guy being hired.
     
  5. publiusr

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    I think Starship troopers also had some sort of delay, which let the FX guys go mad what with the ship details
     
  6. trevanian

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    I can't believe how great TROOPERS looks on dvd, especially the ships torn open by the bug ji- juice. I can't actually imagine how much better it could be on blu, but I guess I'll know as soon as I can find it for under five bucks.

    the models look better in the movie than in person, I'll say that.
     
  7. EnriqueH

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    I really wish some of you guys would expand on your answers a bit when it comes to "calling BS" on what Meyer said in his autobiography.

    Could you guys be more specific? Or is this a gut feeling based on something?

    Hopefully, you guys will respond because it sounds like there's some interesting discussion here if you guys are willing to get into more detail.
     
  8. trevanian

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    I'm pretty sure I went into a bit of detail on a past thread or two a couple years back. I have still never read the Meyer book, outside of skimming it in a store when it first came out; I saw stuff that was 100% out from what I knew about TUC, about the klingon blood, and was flabbergasted he was passing that off as fact until I noticed the thing about it being a memoir and being subject to failngs of memory, which sounds like a get out of jail free card.

    I'll see if I can find the earlier posts I made.
     
  9. 2takesfrakes

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    I tried watching TUC this past week and found it to be boring! Kept having to speed through a lot of it. It just doesn't have as much re-watchability as some of the others. I was really surprised by that though, I remembered it being somewhat better than that ... it kind of sucks, actually.
     
  10. Maurice

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    From Meyer's memoir, years after the fact.
     
  11. trevanian

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    Wow, seems I must be full of shit on this one. I thought this was where he started reciting the dumb legend of blood being ratings related. I wonder where that was Berman-parotting was, as I don't see why I would have made it up. mea culpa
     
  12. Ssosmcin

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    Goldsmith is my favorite composer by far, but even I am aware his filmography is chock full of shitty movies. Star Trek V was hardly the first or last dud (or even worst) the man scored. He apparently took whatever films could pay his price (even Canon films hired him - so how expensive was he?) and scored a HUGE number of craptacular films in his lifetime. I consider him a finer composer than John Williams, but he did not have the fortune of being attached to directors like Speilberg and Lucas, or having Williams' incredible knack for creating memorable, crowd pleasing, hummable themes like Superman, Indiana Jones and so on. While routinely composing beautiful music, the films themselves were often not worthy of his talents.

    A list of shitty films he scored would be tedious, but go look up his credits. Lots of crappy films wound up with amazing scores.
     
  13. publiusr

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    O/T but isn't Meyer working on a series or movie dealing with the Soviet Space Program?
     
  14. trevanian

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    Hadn't heard that, but will have to study up. Can imagine him doing it in a BARBARIANS AT THE GATE kind of way (which is more & more how the best dramatized histories are handled IMO, with an eye toward truth via humor.)
     
  15. diankra

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    A composer's stature - and hence cost - can go up and down. And when it's down, he won't boast about it. So it's entirely possible that Meyer THOUGHT he couldn't afford Goldsmith in 1991, even if Goldsmith was actually desperate for work and would have cut his price after a bit of talk.
     
  16. 2takesfrakes

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    I was truly unaware of these factoids and that is interesting. Especially when the really big hits that he did score were so impressive, for their time. Speaking of the STAR TREK V soundtrack, however, I did not care for how Goldsmith just cobbled TMP's soundtrack with standard Hollywood music. The result was uneven - and disappointing, at best ...