Star Trek Vanguard- to read or not to read?

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by Killandra, Jan 13, 2012.

  1. King Daniel Beyond

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    I'm looking forward to it!:)
     
  2. Christopher

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    There's nothing intrinsically "cornball" about TOS except as a result of differences in style and execution between the '60s and today. By the standards of its time, TOS was a serious adult drama aspiring to naturalism, at least in its first two seasons. So as long as one is true to the intent rather than dwelling on the superficial details, there's no reason one can't reconcile the universe of TOS, a sophisticated 1960s drama series, with the approach of the sophisticated adult dramas of the 2010s.
     
  3. Sho

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    ^ The above is sadly not true at all for the German dubbing of TOS. The German TV channel which bought and began airing the show in the early 70s either gravely misunderstood its intent, or tried to reposition the show during the translation stage for whatever reason. The dubbed dialog often deviated significantly from the original, especially in tone. A serious exchange would become uncouth, silly old chestnut jokes were added, et cetera. Plots lost all sense and meaning due to incompetent translators who picked whatever translation the dictionary listed first without making sure things still made sense. More high-brow scenes were sometimes cut entirely without even making an attempt at translation.

    The ultimate result was that in Germany, TOS skewed quite strongly toward being a children's show, or at least toward being very silly.
     
  4. Christopher

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    ^Reminds me of how a lot of dubbed anime is treated in the US.
     
  5. Patrick O'Brien

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    That's too bad Sho. I am sure you are enjoying the series on DVD or Blu-ray now as it was intended?
     
  6. Sho

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    Yep, sure, as soon as managed to gain a sufficient command of English I switched to watching Star Trek with the original audio. The incentive was not just much better dialog, but in case of the actively airing shows also faster access: Dubbing takes time, so new episodes tended to air with a lag of about a year vs. the US broadcast.

    In the mid-90s (and possibly earlier, but that's when I joined the fun), we German fans had mail-arounds of VHS tapes to address that. A helpful American would record the shows on VHS in the US and mail them across the big pond to his local contact, who would then convert the tape from NTSC to PAL and mail it on to the first fan on the distribution list, who would then watch/copy it before sending it on to the next fan, and so on. This way we could watch new episodes with original audio and only a lag of a few weeks, the exact amount of time depending on the list slot you drew.

    Later of course I bought it all on DVD/Blu-Ray. Sadly the German audio tracks on the DVDs/Blu-rays remain fairly butchered to this day, though. Originally missing scenes did get re-added and dubbed, and some of the worst translation mistakes did get addressed by re-dubbing in three stages: First when another channel picked up the distribution rights in the 80s, then for the VHS release, then again for the DVD release. But many mistakes still remain, and the complicated multi-stage history of the latest German tracks means that one and the same character is sometimes voiced by several different voice actors in the very same episode. Fortunately the DVDs and Blu-Rays all include the English audio tracks as well.
     
  7. nightwind1

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    Wow, I don't know if I've ever seen so many wrong opinions in one single post.:wtf:
     
  8. RandyS

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    Who cares what everybody else thinks about it? The real point is, weither YOU like it or not.

    At least, that's my feelings on the subject.

    Buck Rogers (1979) and the original Battlestar Galactica are both often dismissed as "cheesy" and "childish", but I still like both of them.
     
  9. ainmneacha_Nollag

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    There are wrong opinions now?

    Although you may feel his opinion is counter to yours, it's not wrong as it's his opinion.
     
  10. Patrick O'Brien

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    The mail-around, was an awesome/enterprising idea and a great story. Interesting to see how much effort people will go through to watch Star Trek. I would think a person would want to be early on the mailing list, as making a copy of a copy does affected the quality of the video?
     
  11. Sho

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    ^ Actually, the rules said to keep the copy you made and send on the original, to prevent mounting generational loss. But even that original tape would gradually deteriorate, so yeah, being early had both timing and quality advantages.

    It was a pretty fun endeavour overall, and every new tape that arrived was a genuine thrill at having gotten a bag-full-o-Trek early (vs. the dubbed broadcast) :).
     
  12. David Mack

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  13. Patrick O'Brien

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    ^ Awesome! Thanks for the info David. I'm sure you will get a few entries from this group:)