Star Trek TNG Remastered?

Discussion in 'The Next Generation' started by Jiraiya, May 9, 2009.

  1. doubleohfive

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    I never said audio had to be re-cut. They'd still have to have someone in there though to lay it down after all the picture editing was done.

    Which is entirely besides the larger point I was making, that it's not simply going to be about re-doing the visual effects like it was for TOS. It will have to be more involved and time-consuming for TNG, and thus more expensive to produce.
     
  2. Destructor

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    You can't get more right about it than this. But the fact is, TNG, like TOS sells consistently well in DVD stores, even today. I'd say they'll be almost assured of enough revenue to meet costs, particularly as HD becomes the standard.
     
  3. Harvey

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    When TOS Remastered was produced, the mandate was to not tweak the running time of the episodes, nor affect major changes to the audio. I don't see any reason why TNG would be different in this regard. Any audio work would be negligible.

    But, speaking of money, TNG is a cash cow for Paramount. They'd be stupid not to re-release it on Blu-Ray, and they're not stupid.
     
  4. swaaye

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    Well I wouldn't mind if they moved from the lossy Dolby Digital to one of the newer Bluray standards. Lossless maybe. But it doesn't really matter.
     
  5. Harvey

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    They'll probably remix it in 7.1, but the source material would still be the same.
     
  6. jefferiestubes8

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    7.1

    To take the same 2002 audio stems of dialogue, music, & effects they could do it or it would be 'easier' (like in real-time) to just process the 5.1 surround sound 6-tracks to 7.1 (8-tracks) with

    Neural UpMix software by DTS
    http://mixonline.com/gear/reviews/neural_upmix_dts/index.html

    The Blu-ray would have 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio format, the same as TOS seasons.
     
  7. Doug Otte

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    With the original ST, they didn't have to re-edit the entire episode, so therefore they didn't have to make major changes to the audio.

    With TNG, because they'd have to reassemble the episodes from the original shots on film, they'd most likely have a LOT of work to get the audio to match up.

    Doug
     
  8. JarodRussell

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    They have been stupid before. Money is the reason why we will never see a properly done remastered TNG on blu ray.
     
  9. Prologic9

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    For something like this you're not talking about a loose re-edit, they'd be matching each scene to the frame. The sound should sync perfectly.
     
  10. JarodRussell

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    Couldn't they handle a remastered release like the very first release? Air one episode per week, in HD, one season per year? Gives them enough time to edit one episode and have an immediate return on investment. Remastering one episode can't take longer than producing the original episode in the first place.
     
  11. doubleohfive

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    It would still, however, take time to re-edit the episodes.

    Regardless of how "easy" it would be to re-sync the audio, there's still going to have to be an editor (or several) somewhere, starting with all the elements again and assembling them again for the final up-res. That takes time.

    Factor in producers, studio execs, quality control and simply checking for consistency with the original broadcast edits...

    It literally will be, for the most part, like re-opening post-production on the show.

    Interesting idea. I don't know though if that would fall under the purview of the syndication deal the studio originally signed to when TNG hit 100 episodes, or if they would have to license it as a "new" show (I don't recall what the case was with TOS Remastered)...

    Boiling it down is simple. If Paramount thinks they can do remaster TNG for what it would cost to do so and still make a buck -- whether by fleecing the fans who will pay $150+ for a single season on DVD or broadcasting it then releasing it on DVD/BR-- then they will.
     
  12. Harvey

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    Why $150 for a single season? Maybe at the SRP, but I picked up all three season of TOS for $120, and I expect TNG would eventually be priced similarly.
     
  13. doubleohfive

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    The $150.00 per season is reference to the initial prices the TNG DVD season sets first hit the market under in 2002. Obviously, DVD season sets are cheaper now ... but the Star Trek DVDs have never really been the first to drop in price. Sure, you can find a good deal here and there, and yes the season sets are more reasonably priced now (usually for about $50 or so) but we're also talking about an eight year old product.

    Considering the history, I don't doubt for one second Paramount would charge as much money as they think they can wring out of the all-too-eager Trekkie nerds' wallets as they can.
     
  14. billcosby

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    ^^ Hmmm... I wouldn't pay in excess of $200 a season (CND) though. And I'd probably get the best seasons only to start... 3,4 and maybe 5. But 3 and 4 for sure. Absolute Trekperfection.
     
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  15. Salinga

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    So... when do you think the 3D version of Trek will hit the stores? ;)
     
  16. jefferiestubes8

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    Re: Star Trek TNG Remastered? Blu-ray pricing

    see this posting for the prices on the TOS episodes & then full seasons with various home video media releases.


    As doubleohfive mentioned:
    Star Trek TNG DVDs as sold by Paramount/CBS Entertainment's website startrek.com are still overpriced:
    Star Trek: The Next Generation - Season One Box Set
    $74.99 today though not quite the same price as the original $120. retail that some people actually paid when the list price was $139. in March 2002 according to DVDTalk.com.

    for comparison:
    Star Trek The Next Generation - The Complete First Season DVD still retails at Amazon.com for $51.99


    now when you are talking about HD remastering to HD let's look at the pricing of TOS season 1 on Blu-ray. 18 month's after it's release:
    as sold by Paramount/CBS Entertainment's website startrek.com are still ridiculously overpriced:
    Star Trek: The Original Series - Season 1 (Blu-Ray)
    $129.99

    for comparison Amazon.com has
    Star Trek: The Original Series - Season 1 [Blu-ray] - for $62.49

    We will see the ENT series on Blu-ray before any TNG episodes and most likely each season will be priced similarly to TOS seasons around $65. at Best Buy & Amazon.com when released.
     
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  17. swaaye

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    It's a good thing there's Netflix. Not that I wouldn't prefer to own the sets but yeah it is a huge expense.
     
  18. jefferiestubes8

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    35mm film preview

    A comparison and a "preview" of TNG Remastered

    http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/ent_vs_tng.htm


    Also regarding CGI of the ENT-D in TNG:
    #620 The Chase is obviously an episode that would benefit from a CGI ENT-D.

    Now this is rather important to know:
    Durability of CGI Models
    The ENT-D was also rebuilt
    http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/database/cgi.htm

    Surely any work in ENT by Eden FX showing the Ent-D would be the newest models to use.
     
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  19. doubleohfive

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    Funny, I don't recall there being any Ferengi Alliance officers on board during the Pegasus mission. :p
     
  20. BillJ

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    Worth every penny!