STAR TREK: REBOOTED FOR THE WRONG REASONS

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Dusty Ayres, Dec 18, 2009.

  1. AnyStar

    AnyStar Captain Captain

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    if its a craft that has nothing built in to ever even land on a planet, why would they build it there? how will it take off?

    i can certainly understand components being manufactured on earth, then ferried to orbit for assembly, but to build the whole thing on ground is only usefull for over-ambitious camera shots...
     
  2. Starbreaker

    Starbreaker Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Well, he's certainly not saying anything people haven't said before. Let them go back to their awful fan-fiction about Captain Rodeo and the Discovery in the 28th century.
     
  3. Tomalak

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    It's a turbolift.
     
  4. Aragorn

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    There's a middle ground between that and the Captain Robert April, The Wormhole, MattJC, xortex types. You just probably won't find it on here. :p

    The flaw with this line of thinking is that if you can't say anything bad about something you aren't a part of or can do yourself, by that same standard you can't say anything good about it either.
     
  5. Harvey

    Harvey Admiral Admiral

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    Transparent aluminum, of course. :p Really, though, having an actual window on the front of the bridge seems rather handy if the viewscreen goes out. If anything, it's an improvement.

    I can't really defend the engineering 'set,' though. It served its purpose in the movie, but the (prohibitively expensive, apparently) concept art for what was originally proposed for engineering was much better.

    The blogger in the OP is really off the hinge, though. Abrams' movie had some legitimate flaws, but claiming that it did everything it could to change the characters from the ones the geeks knew and loved is a stretch. I'm about as big a geek as they come, and I had serious reservations before seeing the movie, but I could certainly recognize the characters that I've loved for two decades.
     
  6. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    Damn it, Aragorn, I've asked you not to do that, and more than once. Cut it out.

    Wrong - there's plenty of middle ground, and plenty of room for people to be critical of the movie or of aspects of it; just look around the forum. Perceived flaws and shortcomings are being pointed out and discussed all the time, and mostly in a perfectly civil and even friendly manner.



    As for the blog entry cited in the OP, the main thing I notice about it is that there's nothing it has to say which hasn't already been said dozens of times over; much of the content could have been written even before the movie came out, and some of it isn't about this movie at all (why is he talking about First Contact or Generations, for crying out loud?) It's unfocused, his conclusions aren't all that solid, and as a review, it relies far too much on by-the-numbers sloganeering and one-size-fits-all put-downs. ("Something right out of a Sci-Fi Channel original movie" - yeah, there's an original and scathing critique.) Finally, the date-stamp is telling. Why did he wait until four months after the movie went into general release to post this? Could it be he realized that there just wasn't anything very special about the review?
     
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  7. Dusty Ayres

    Dusty Ayres Commodore

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    Because most of these so-called 'fans' think that they can. But instead of shutting up and just doing so, they vent their spleens online everyplace they can-possibly because they know and fear that if they did write one and submit it, it might be rejected (even though they did everything they were supposed to do in order to submit it.)

    Thus, articles like this, all of which bring to mind the old saying 'Those who can, do, and those who can't, review'. Or in this case, bitch like babies needing their bottles. As one poster put it, they hate success, and they are also resentful because it wasn't their success, but somebody else's.
     
  8. Devon

    Devon Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    It also makes sense not to have your command center the most obvious and easiest target on the ship either, but C'est le vie.

    How is this a "coincidence?"
     
  9. RoJoHen

    RoJoHen Awesome Premium Member

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    Or, ya know, a quarry. We have those in the midwest NOW.
     
  10. Devon

    Devon Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I live within 10 miles of one here in Indiana. The High School I attended was within a couple of miles of it. Whenever they blasted through it you could feel a rumble within a few miles that feel like tremors or small earth quakes. Certainly the structure inside the quarry as seen in the film is obviously man made, and just looked just like those of quarries.
     
  11. Shazam!

    Shazam! Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Did the blogger say that he could? The idea that you're not allowed to not like a piece of creative art unless you've tried to create it yourself is mental.
    The blogger appears to be extremely pleased for the New Voyager guys.
     
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  12. Temis the Vorta

    Temis the Vorta Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I don't get arguments like that. Abrams has done exactly what he needed to do: jettison the unworkable aspects of Star Trek (eg, Uhura's useless role, the preachy staleness of TNG), keep the stuff that works beautifully (eg, keeping most of the characters pretty much the same; hanging onto the unique cross between naive idealism and imperialistic arrogance that makes the Federation and Starfleet so popular with us all); and even added a couple intriguing twists (Spock/Uhura, the destruction of Vulcan) to kick the whole story into a higher orbit.

    Abrams has succeeded, artistically and financially. Nothing else much matters but I suppose the bitterness fiesta must go on...
     
  13. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Damn straight. Three cheers for J.J. Abrams. :techman:

    I am sick unto death of fans who critique, "advise," exaggerate their importance and suggest that they can do better while putting forth limited effort at best.
     
  14. Franklin

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    :wtf:

    Sexy: Bill Theiss designs were not sexy? Mini-skirts were not sexy?
    Edgy: It's a relative term but in 1966, one year after the Civil Rights Act passed, there were women and minorities seen in positions of power on the show. For example, we think nothing of seeing Richard Daystrom being black, today. Back then, who knows what some people thought about a black actor playing a brilliant computer scientist?
    Flawed: The third season is not called the "turd" season by some for nothing. ;)
    Totally unfamiliar: As opposed to the look of TMP compared to TOS? Or TWOK compared to TMP or TOS?

    As far as not being able to go back goes, no. Shatner and Nimoy are nearly octogenarians. Kelley is gone. Doohan is gone. So much of the TNG time period has been used up there's nothing new to go back to.
     
  15. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Who wants to go back? Really?
     
  16. Rush Limborg

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    ^AND the Supreme Court has made it clear...the Prime Universe still exists, just in an alternate reality.

    The two timelines simply diverged and...

    Ah, whatevah. :cool:
     
  17. I am not Spock

    I am not Spock Commodore Commodore

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    It's brought back Trek from oblivion, how is that a bad thing?
     
  18. AnyStar

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    i think differently, this isnt trek. its something new, something different the only thing trek about it is the names
     
  19. Rush Limborg

    Rush Limborg Vice Admiral Admiral

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    ^Funny...that's what folks thought about TNG...and DS9...and so on....
     
  20. iguana_tonante

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    It's perfectly ok around here not to like the movie. We have several posters here that didn't like the movie, have said so, and then moved on.

    The problem was with some people that went over and over and over again writing nothing but pages after pages about how every single thing about the movie was bad, terrible, lazy, unholy and evil.

    We are not talking about "meh-it-sucked" criticism. We are talking about "foaming-at-the-mouth-writing-hundred-thousands-words-rants" criticism. It became a little stale after a while. Probably it's not fair to people coming and offering honest-to-God-criticism to get bashed now, but just so you understand where some people are coming.