Star Trek Into Darkness review by Steve Burgess

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  1. Shaka Zulu

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    'Star Trek Into Darkness'; Under director JJ Abrams, the Starship Enterprise is more of a Led Zeppelin


    Talk about not getting the movie, like most left, right, and center-wing film critics. :rolleyes:

    Opinions, anyone?
     
  2. Shikarnov

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    Star Trek Into Darkness has the unique place in my life of being the only Star Trek film that was so bad that I actually left the theater without finishing. And I'd been happily watching Trek in theaters since 1989's Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

    Only Alan Dean Foster's novelization made the storyline at all tolerable -- an epic feat for which he deserves much credit.

    In short, it would be a gross understatement to say I agree with the reviewer's premise that this latest installment is depressing as all Hell.
     
  3. Ovation

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    It's all relative. After a second viewing, Into Darkness has become my favourite Trek film (I have them all and have seen them each multiple times, lest anyone doubt my "experience"). I don't begrudge people who don't like it, but I find this review far more in keeping with my own thoughts on the film.

    In particular (from that review) these points, for me, stand out:

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    He makes a cogent criticism of the marketing and title of the film and acknowledges a number of other shortcomings as well. But his overall assessment fits well with my own views. YMMV
     
  4. Shaka Zulu

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    ^The thing is, Muir (and Wheaton) got it in their reviews; this guy (Burgess) didn't, having an agenda to push (and also because he's automatically dismissive of mainstream movies like this one.) Then again, Muir knows and cares about sci-fi; most of these critics don't-unless it's the new BSG with it's extremely flawed characters who wouldn't be allowed in any military anywhere in the universe. That shows a lot.
     
  5. Kruezerman

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    :wtf:

    No.
     
  6. BillJ

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    I didn't even walk out on Nemesis. :shrug:
     
  7. Ln X

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    Even though I have no love for STID, this reviewer picked some odd things to dismiss it out right.
     
  8. Therin of Andor

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    If I've been to see a movie and enjoyed it, I have little interest in reading reviews, be they scathing or complimentary. (I was thrilled when I heard that both JJ movies rated really well on Rotten Tomatoes, but I haven't read those reviews either.) If I read an angry review before seeing a movie, I may well allow myself to choose a different movie. If I'm curious about a forthcoming movie, I will often read some professional or fan reviews.

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    it's a movie franchise I follow - and then no review in the universe is going to stop me going to see a new "Star Trek" (or "Batman" or "Superman"). Good, bad, I'll see 'em all. The good ones I'll see over and over and over.

    Walking out early? How can you join online debates if you haven't seen the whole thing? How could you bear to know there was "Star Trek" footage out there you'd never seen?
     
  9. Ln X

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    Yeah that's not professional behaviour on the part of the reviewer. The good reviewer must sit through a film no matter how atrocious it is!
     
  10. BillJ

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    I don't think Therin was talking about the reviewer. :techman:
     
  11. Therin of Andor

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    I wasn't talking about reviewers. I mean Star Trek fans! Walking out on Star Trek?

    Even ST V was worth it for the sniggering and belly laughs.
     
  12. Ln X

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    During the middle of STID it came down to this for me. I laughed at the implausibility and now, looking back, I still crack up when I see in my mind Spock beating the snot out of Khan. This should be the worst scene in all of Star Trek movie history, how JJ got away with this I have no idea. You would think there would be lynch mobs of angry Trekkies and nerds demanding JJ's head for destroying one of sci-fi's most iconic characters. In fact I seem to be the only who thinks Spock beating up Khan is just plain wrong, and this calls to mind...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOK6mE7sdvs
     
  13. BillJ

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    This is simply a different character than TOS Spock. This character is younger and went through a very traumatic experience.

    Are we all the same exact people we were eight-to-ten years ago?
     
  14. CorporalClegg

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    Anyone who thinks Spock Prime wasn't capable of the same rage under the right circumstances doesn't understand the character as well as he thinks he does.

    There's a reason his face represents the Devil.
     
  15. BillJ

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    Agreed.

    All one had to do is watch All Our Yesterdays.
     
  16. throwback

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    I think it was established early on that Spock Prime was repressing strong emotions and passions in "The Naked Time". And, it was repeated throughout the first series that the Vulcans nearly destroyed themselves because their passions were so strong, and it took a leader named Surak who had exceptional strength and character to begin the reforms that would eventually create the Vulcan that we know.
     
  17. BillJ

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    But even then, the majority of Vulcans we see obviously didn't have perfect emotional control. Why else would they need Kolinahr?
     
  18. nightwind1

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    Obviously, you saw a different movie than most of the rest of us.
     
  19. Dukhat

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    So, what exactly did you hate about the film that made you allegedly walk out on it? Because you didn't actually mention the reasons. (And please don't ask me to read that reviewer's review for your answers, because I really don't care about what some Internet reviewer I've never even heard of thinks.)
     
  20. Shaka Zulu

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    Like I said, the reviewer's just inserting his bias against this version into the review (he hates it because its not Star Trek: The Next Generation, and he's not the only one; another blogger hated the first movie for the same reasons, namely because it wasn't as socialist as the shows set in the 24th century [I wish that I could provide the link, but I don't know where it is.]) People will just have to face the fact that the 24 century epoch may not be coming back at all.