STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. Pauln6

    Pauln6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Lol - yeah - I have a core of about 12 TOS episodes that I hold up as masterpieces. Most of the rest is just entertaining guff.

    Voyager made a lot of boo boos too. Kes went back in time and warned the crew about the Krenim and then wasn't even on board during the Krenim episodes and everybody forgot the important information she gave them about the temporal weapons.
     
  2. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I guess I'm just a fan of Star Trek warts and all. Plus I think it's silly to condemn one version for mistakes it makes, when those same mistakes have been there from the beginning and been in every iteration.
     
  3. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    Let's stick to Star Trek in here, and leave allusions, references, etc. to any fan groups called "those people" somewhere outside the forum.
     
  4. Xavier_Storma

    Xavier_Storma Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Oh no... don't get me wrong...

    I hated the reboot in 2009. Really... everything was awefull about this film (for me - and I can perfectly live and accept that people liked it).
    From the black hole huge plot holes (Black hole = time travel, when the script needs it and then... shredder... guess what... when the script needs it to be), fatal cinematography (not one sharp or quiet shot, 50% of the film are lense flares), down to the stupid excuse for a plot (bridging absurd action scenes with each other... Sulu's fencing... my God...). It sucked. Really... it just completely sucked.
    It deserved the F I rated it.

    INTO DARKNESS works so much better. The plot is dense (at least in the first half... the movie dives down from the point Khan reveals himself), the cinematography is so much better (as if they changed the whole camera team), and in scenes it feels and looks like STAR TREK. Art direction is wonderful, and the visuals are stunning.
    Is it an entertaining film. Yes!
    Is it a good film? Average at best.
    Is it a good STAR TREK film? No, defineatly not.

    But if you can detach you logical cortex from the "fun" cortex, you will be able to enjoy the visuals.

    Maybe it is because I went into it with -100 expectations after the huge disappointment the last film was for me... I don't know.

    I rate DARKNESS a healthy "C".

    Eventhough I really hate 2009. :cool:
     
  5. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    What makes a good Star Trek film?

    I've been doing this since the mid-70's because seldom has Trek and "logical" deserved to be mentioned in the same sentence.
     
  6. Cinema Geekly

    Cinema Geekly Commander Red Shirt

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    In a recent review I read this:

    "One of the things that really resonated for me about Into Darkness was the fact that, like the best Star Trek stories, the film has an important, and very relevant message at its heart, about not throwing away our ideals when confronted with dangerous threats to our civilization and a strong indictment of Cheney-esque and Rumsfeldian politics. In a free society, our democracy cannot just be words on a piece of paper, but have real meaning that we live by … even when inconvenient."

    [Link to review - M']

    If that isn't Trek then I honestly am not sure what is.

    Personally I think that because they are couched with big budget CGI and action scenes and don't spend 1 hour and 50 minutes discussing the deeper story in a conference room that the movies are "brain dead".

    We can have a good story AND good action equally as far as I'm concerned. We move at a faster pace now then we did in the 90's and certainly in the 60's. Old talky Star Trek is just going to bore people and even more so if you are paying money for a movie.

    You are just going to have become those people you swore you'd never be (your parents) and move into back-in-my-day-ville.
     
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  7. abaldwin360

    abaldwin360 Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    But Star Trek (2009) did win an Oscar, and was nominated for three more. :(
     
  8. Chemahkuu

    Chemahkuu Admiral Admiral

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    Two hours of aging actors smugly reciting poor dialogue if I remember the first ten of them correctly.
     
  9. Xavier_Storma

    Xavier_Storma Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    The Hollywood obsession with youth...

    Not every hero needs to be in his 30ies... :rolleyes:
     
  10. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I like the TOS films, but they have just as many logic gaps as the Abramsverse films.

    Sub-space shockwave, anyone? The magic torpedo? Proto-matter? Getting to the center of the galaxy in a few hours?
     
  11. ConRefit79

    ConRefit79 Captain Captain

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    But TOS Kirk was Captian in his early 30's. NuTrek he is in his 20's. That is more implaus.... Oh never mind.
     
  12. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    How does that make for a bad movie? Plus, Pike wasn't in his thirties.
     
  13. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    But Prime Kirk likely had other commands before getting the Enterprise. Dehner mentions a 'first command' in "Where No Man..."

    Plus, Picard got the Stargazer at twenty-eight.
     
  14. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Neither of those men necessarily had to have the RANK of Captain when they had the position of it. Kirk Prime could have received his first command as a Commander or Lieutenant Commander. Same for Picard. (We saw this happen with Dax on DS9. When she commanded the Defiant, she was addressed as Captain, yet she was a LCDR by rank.)
     
  15. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    We don't know that for sure.
     
  16. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    No we don't. But I would point to TMP as evidence that rank doesn't matter when captaining a starship. Admiral Kirk wore captain's stripes when he took over command of the Enterprise.

    Captains may simply wear captains stripes when assigned command. Or maybe not. But Kirk being a "captain" doesn't really destroy the movie for me.
     
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  17. Ryan8bit

    Ryan8bit Commodore Commodore

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    Yeah, I guess we don't.
     
  18. King Daniel Beyond

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    In the novel The Valiant, the Stargazer's captain and first officer were killed, and Picard took command. He kept it.

    Ditto Dax on the USS Aventine in the post-series novels.
     
  19. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    IIRC, if an Admiral has command of a ship, they are still referred to as Admiral. Kirk actually demoted himself in rank. That's the difference. He expected to KEEP command of the Enterprise.
     
  20. Chemahkuu

    Chemahkuu Admiral Admiral

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    Confirmed by The Buried Age.