STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. Pauln6

    Pauln6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I don't disagree that Geordi's rank was an issue (he was a lieutenant and the assistant chiefs in season one had all been lt-commanders so we never saw one of those assistant chiefs again). However, there were references in season one to imply had engineering training, he was already a lt(jg) before being promoted, he was older, and there was never any express suggestion that he was positioned at the helm straight out of the Academy (in fact Memory Alpha confirms he was 12 years older than Chekov and the Enterprise was his second posting so if anything he'd spent a long time before getting promoted).

    O'Brien's retconned rank was a blatant retcon but I'm glad they did - I get fed up only seeing senior officers and his history was all over the place (he'd been helmsman, engineer, tactical, and transporters) but he was on a non-Federation vessel with non-federation personnel and was vastly experienced. He would not have become a chief engineer on a starship but could get away with it on a small ship with few officers like the Defiant.
     
  2. Xavier_Storma

    Xavier_Storma Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Sorry, but I have to disagree here. The four TNG films WERE as much TNG as the series, and I could not think of better or other adventures for Picard's crew. Why the bashing... it is so 90ies. Move on already.
     
  3. Commishsleer

    Commishsleer Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    This is one of my pet peeves with TNG - Geordi's sudden rise to Engineering genius. Considering the dolts TNG had in engineering in Season 1, I had no problem with Picard transferring someone anyone to engineering. But why didn't Geordi help with the problems they had in Season 1, why didn't he take over?

    I thought Geordi quite clever and capable in Season 1 but they might as well as made him a doctor to replace Beverley in Season 2 as for all the engineering prowess that I saw. Although I'm happy to be proved wrong.

    Instead suddenly he was there in season 2, technoblabbing all over the place like he knew everything but kept it to himself in Season 1. Instead Wesley had to save the day again and again.

    My TNG friend says forget Season 1 ever occurred and you'll be better off. I wish I could see in Season 1 where Geordi was even interested in Engineering. Then I'd like TNG better
     
  4. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

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    Note to all: Karl's nostril closeup in IMAX is an Urban environment. ;)
     
  5. indranee

    indranee Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Yeah, no worries. I have :lol:

    Sorry, TNG, with but a few exceptions, hasn't aged well for me. I'll just let it rest at that.
     
  6. Opus

    Opus Commodore Commodore

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    TNG movies were glorified TV episodes. They did nothing and looked no better than what people could watch on DS9 and VOY for free on TV. Most times, the TV shows were better.
     
  7. G2309

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    I thought the film was fantastic, better than the 2009 film which was a tough one to follow. I felt the standard of writing and acting was high I wish more films could handle the characters this well. It wasn't just a revenge story as feared, I liked the moral implication. It examined what Star Fleet was about a lot better than Star Trek Insurrection did.

    The only disapointment was that there was no scene of Kirk sat in the captains chair with tribbles on his head and tribbles covering the bridge.
     
  8. indranee

    indranee Vice Admiral Admiral

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    ^maybe next time? Especially if they deal with the Klingons ;)
     
  9. Phily B

    Phily B Commodore Commodore

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    I thought the tribble scene would show an extra two tribbles instead of the tribble just reviving :p
     
  10. trevanian

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    Impressive that you're capable of anticipating all possible future outcomes from there, you probably need to change your posting location to Mt Olympus.
     
  11. FreddyE

    FreddyE Captain Captain

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    Am I the only one who thinks the klingon ships chasing them was pretty much a clone of star wars? It felt like the tie-fighters chasing luke when he´s on the way to destory the death star.
     
  12. Tosk

    Tosk Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Ben Burtt seemed to agree with you.
     
  13. Start Wreck

    Start Wreck Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    It was fun, an enjoyable couple of hours, and when it was doing its own thing, it was fairly good at it. The characters were well-realised and often funny, I loved Spock in almost every scene. The film showed great promise when, at the start, Kirk is being chewed out for being a reckless dick, basically vindicating all the criticisms of his actions in the first film. A great start, then. It also felt a lot more StarTrekky, with references and sequences straight out of the TV series(eses). Cumberbatch is also a real pleasure to watch throughout.

    Basically, if you liked the first one, you'll like this. Better in some ways, worse in others.

    My problem with it is, at the end of the last one, it was left open for "bold new adventures", so I expected NEW adventures. I didn't expect:
    a remake of Wrath of Khan. Whole snippets of dialogue and even scenes lifted from previous films. The little references were fine (I geeked out when I saw the line-up of ships and the Section 31 reference) but this film is so devoid of any originality, and so teasing and secretive about it (re: trailers, etc.), that it borders on parody. *That* scene, and the point where Spock yells "Khan!", I figuratively palmed my face into orbit.

    Is THIS what a Star Trek film has become now? If so, stop the Enterprise, I want to get off. :(

    I hear people saying that the ending leaves it open (again) for new adventures, but does it? Surely the previous film left it open for new adventures, and look what they did with it? Going by past form of aping the popular, I half expect the next one to feature either whales or the Borg. Into Darkness has completely lost my confidence in Abrams and co making an exciting, new and original film.

    I can still barely believe that Khan is even in this. I refused to believe they would stoop to that level right up until just before I saw it (I had it spoiled for me a few days early :( ) but obviously I misjudged the ineptitude of the writers, or perhaps misjudged the influence of money.

    What do I want from the next one, then? Cut the budget, cut the scope. Get some different bloody writers, and get the Enterprise OUT THERE, doing NEW things, with NEW characters!

    There was more than a hint of Lindelof's Plot Logic in this one. A sense of "wouldn't it be cool if this happened" rather than things making sense. The first film got away with cosmic coincidences in my opinion, because it seemed appropriate. Some of the logic in this one was screwy, though. Character motivations were fuzzy, particularly Cumberbatch and Robocop, with who wanted what and why. It felt like rewrites had been done at the last minutes, without tidying up the loose ends. Perhaps they had, I'm sure it's pretty common.


    In short, then, I had a fun time watching it and it definitely has its moments of excellence. The characters have settled in, the humour was well-judged, the dialogue snappy and witty. But the unoriginality running through it means it will not be remembered as anything other than a throwaway piece of tribble fluff. Disappointing.
     
  14. pentta

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    I don't play well with fans of JarJar Abrams, so no. This place is all yours. Buckle up! Woo hoo! Punch it, dude!

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  15. Kruezerman

    Kruezerman Commodore Commodore

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    ^ Oh dear Christ.
     
  16. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    So you don't play well with people who have differing opinions in general? :wtf:
     
  17. Kruezerman

    Kruezerman Commodore Commodore

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    Call it a hunch babe.
     
  18. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    If they rated it an 'F' before it was ever released in their respective areas, what makes you think they're going to give it a fair review?
     
  19. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Yep.

    Apparently the ability to apply basic logic to a situation after long observation is held equivalent in some quarters to claiming psychic powers. That explains a great deal. :lol:
     
  20. BillJ

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    So I'm going Thursday morning at 10am to see the movie by myself, Thursday night at 11pm with my wife then on Saturday morning I'm taking my mother-in-law and two boys to see it.

    Sure hope its good or else it's going to be a painful weekend! :lol: