Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.
Funny since the stripes correspond to the ranks they were in TOS.
I think Trek is pretty popular in the UK, I remember it used to be on BBC2 after the kids programs had ended and thats how I got into DS9 and TNG.
Kirk to Sybok in STV: "I'm afraid of nothing."
Kirk to Spock in STID: "I'm afraid. (of dying)".
Which is it? What Kirk said to Sybok wasn't a bit of throwaway dialogue, it was an underline of his character. Kirk has never been afraid of anything. Even when Kirk died the first time, his last words to Picard was, "It was... fun.". But the reboot is also a reboot of the characters' characters. Fine, make everyone in nuTrek super sensitive and in touch with their feelings - make Vulcans cry, but stop pretending these characters are even similar to the original characters, beyond their names.
Ever since the last film, this has become Star Trek Troopers. The kids love it, and that's why you see so many positive reviews. It's a wonderfully executed action space fantasy film in a Trek wrapper, but it's not Star Trek. Star Trek was never cool. And Kirk is a risk taker, not a thrill seeker.
And the nuEnterprise is stupidly large. I won't even go into it.
I watched it too. Couldn't believe that given everything good they could have covered about Trek they had to go the cliché 'look at the most dedicated fans' route. Didn't help that it was such old footage, it must be around 20 years old.
Orbital skydiving from the Generations deleted scenes. Climbing El Capitan in Star Trek V without safety equipment.
Because obviously people in their 20s have exactly the same experiences, the same outlook on life and the same characters as in their 50s.
I sometimes wonder if the folks who claim certain things never happened pre-Abrams ever actually watched Trek at all?
Flying shields down up alongside a Miranda class cruiser as soon as she raises her shields.
How many died that time?
You're right, he's not a thrill seeker, at times he's an idiot, said so himself.
The Motion Picture used the same rank stripes as TOS except they gave ensigns the single broken stripe of lieutenant junior grade, this rank seems to have been dropped as it was rarely used in TOS.
So you could finally tell officers from ratings.
Enlisted chiefs like Rand were given hollow squares on their shoulders.
From TWOK all ratings and officers had rate and rank insignia.
I would love an extended cut, but I don't agree at all with what you said. Not to badmouth Heath Ledger's performance, or anything, but seriously, The Dark Knight is, imo, totally overrated, and the Joker right along with it. His motivation is pretty sketchy, and in no way is he fleshed out more than Harrison/Khan. That, I believe, is a matter of perspective.
Apples and Oranges. The Joker and TDK was supposed to be sketchy. He has no origin, no clear motivation, he's just there, a chaotic force of nature. Bruce Wayne learned that all criminals are simple to understand. The Joker was supposed to be impossible to understand.
-- Keeping his shields down when the Reliant was approaching under suspicious circumtances in TWOK.
-- Stubborning insisting on going to warp even though Scotty was dubious they should in TMP. The result was the wormhole.
-- Target-fixating on Nero's dying ship to the point he put his own ship in danger.
-- He didn't call himself a fool, but in TUC he did say he was a great one for rushing in where angels fear to tread.
If anything, Kirk suffered from hubris. Too confident.
Maybe the Joker wasn't more fleshed out, but he had the chance to show what he's capable of. He came across as a deadly threat, while nuKhan was nothing like that. He just wasn't menacing enough!
And if you take away Benedicts Cumberbatch's voice in the monologues, what awesomesauce is really left in the character?
Seriously? I loved everything he did, starting with wrecking half of London and then kicking the crap out of the Klingons.
It's a matter of opinion. I think the Joker is kind of overrated.
Kirk isn't "people".
No, he's a fictitious character.
I stand corrected & defeated by your flawless logic.
Fantastic movie! Zackary Quinto was fantastic as Spock, Benedict Cumberbatch was surprisingly good as Kahn, great special affects, and the whole thing was just so great.
My favourite part has to be when Kirk supposedly dies and Spock goes mental, and then fights Kahn.
I love how he ignores evidence that Kirk was indeed a thrill seeker.
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