STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. thumbtack

    thumbtack Commodore Commodore

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    Khan will be back. Not sure if it will be immediately, but no later than Star Trek 5.
     
  2. Oso Blanco

    Oso Blanco Commodore Commodore

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    Or maybe they could use Khan and his augments as a basis for a new tv series?
     
  3. Chu'lak

    Chu'lak Lieutenant

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    I listed those specifically due their need for vengeance or payback for soemthing that had happened tot hem in the past. Kruge and Chang weren't motivated by anything other than their own ends.

    Bog Queen wanted a partner in Picard, Soran wanted him family back, Ruafo wanted his youth and SHinzon wanted Pciard's blood and revenge on Earth because John Logan said so.
     
  4. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

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    The thirst for revenge is a strong motivation, that's why it is used a lot in fiction.
     
  5. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    TNG writers had three swings and only First Contact ranks any better than a swing-and-a-miss and has aged poorly.
     
  6. CrazyHorse89

    CrazyHorse89 Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Well, I saw it. And, contrary to what I'd been lead to believe by fellow Star Trek fans, this was a damned good, fun, film.

    I don't know what people were expecting from a summer blockbuster: Tolstoy meets Roddenberry perhaps?
     
  7. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I wonder why people always say this. Why do people, the audience, themselves allow summer blockbusters to be so empty and brainless?
     
  8. CrazyHorse89

    CrazyHorse89 Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    But it wasn't brainless (and it certainly had heart). Admittedly, it wasn't exactly a high-brow movie. On the other hand, it did deal with the security-liberty paradox, a tiny bit of humanitarian intervention vs non-interference, and a September 11th/Iraq War allegory thrown in for good measure.

    Fast and Furious 6 will no doubt be brainless; STID is not.
     
  9. Shazam!

    Shazam! Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    LOL as if they'll get that far.
     
  10. Kruezerman

    Kruezerman Commodore Commodore

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    Star Trek Five....THOUSAND.
     
  11. Xaios

    Xaios Commander Red Shirt

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    Ru'afo and Shinzon, yeah, I can make that connection. Soran and the Borg Queen though, I don't see it. Neither were on any kind of quest for vengeance.

    Sorin was trying to gain immortality and escape the pain of the loss of his family. The key difference is that Khan was trying to avenge the loss of his family. Sorin merely wanted to forget, which is a fairly significant distinction. He wouldn't have killed anyone if there had been another way to enter the Nexus.

    And the Borg Queen's motivation was the same as what the Borg's motivation has always been: assimilation and conquest.
     
  12. Relayer1

    Relayer1 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Just got back from seeing it and I loved it.

    I still don't really like the ship and uniform designs but that wasn't going to change from the last movie. I did like the way they remade Space Seed and Wrath of Khan without, er, remaking them...

    Like the last film, I loved it while I was watching it but afterwards plot holes started to occur to me, although most for the last film were resolved by people on this site - I trust that the same will happen again. JJ and Co. seem to have trouble writing scripts that dot all the I's and cross all the T's.

    Here's my take on why they needed Khans blood and not that of another Augment - they KNEW Khan's blood worked and they only had one shot. Trying anything else was too risky.

    And here's a prediction - Spock Prime will have a larger part in the next one to complete his 'arc' and we will get a look at New Vulcan.
     
  13. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Those are two different things.
     
  14. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

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    Well, I hate most mindless action films, but I was on the edge of my seat for most of the second half.

    Have any Star Trek movies (or episodes) ever done this?
     
  15. Chemahkuu

    Chemahkuu Admiral Admiral

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    The only thing that truely disappointed me about this movie is that the threesome didn't involve two proper Caitians instead of...whatever those were.
     
  16. Sagart

    Sagart Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Quick question: During the chase on Kronos, did anyone else hear a TIE Fighter sound from the Klingon ship?
     
  17. Chemahkuu

    Chemahkuu Admiral Admiral

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    Nope, it's the original "hawk" sound effect from the early Birds of Prey in the TOS movies.
     
  18. Sagart

    Sagart Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Oh, ok. Just thought I heard a hint of TIE.
     
  19. Aike

    Aike Commander Red Shirt

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    Haha ok. I saw Into Darkness once more tonite. And I am still loving it:)

    One of the things I really like about the movie is how they portray Khan. He meaner and stronger in some ways, and of course Cumberbatch has a different acting style compared to Montalban, but Orci and Kurtzman have understood the character´s essence. That´s why having back works wonderfully.
     
  20. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

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    Every tailed species has to be a felinoid? :eek: