STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. Phily B

    Phily B Commodore Commodore

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    The KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN part was a little weird, it was probably better placed than Kirk's KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN though and led into Spock kicking ass. I really enjoyed it, better than Trek 2009 and there was probably even more fan service than previous. The opening felt more like a TNG plot and they handled the prime directive stuff well - I always thought it was dumb they'd let a civilization die.

    Kirk was a bit of a pussy though, I know he is still supposed to be immature but he didn't seem to be a particularly good Captain yet.

    I liked the warp core though, at least I think that was the actual warp core.
     
  2. topas

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    That's good to read. I wonder - anyone, who has both already seen STID and played the game - does the core look anywhere close to how it has been presented in the game?
    (I found the look of the lower-core decks and machinery in the part of the game with Scotty & Keenser especially nice, not like something we would recognize as a starfleet design but by far better than the brewery)
     
  3. gaghyogi49

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    I definitely heard K'normian as well. It was one of those references that I really liked a lot and that not many people will have got.
     
  4. Phily B

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    They run along the brewery but it doesn't look like the core from the game, they don't really spend much time in the brewery. It might not even be the core tbh, but it looked like an "updated" one.
     
  5. Franklin

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    Given the "bromance" part of the story and Spock still dealing with his emotions and the loss of his mother and Vulcan, Spock's primal shout of, "Khaaaaan!" is far more appropriate than Kirk's was in TWOK. It's the straw that broke the camel's back. First his mom and Vulcan, and now Kirk? No wonder he goes on a tirade.

    The thing that's too bad is so many folks only think of, "Khaaaaaaaan," as some sort of joke. It almost always gets snickers, now. More people probably remember Costanza yelling it on "Seinfeld" than remember it from TWOK.

    To me, Spock yelling it seems like it would be one of the most emotionally poignant parts of the movie. It doesn't deserve comparison to the cheesy version, even if the writers invited it. There's far more gravitas this time. It's sincere. It conveys true pain and loathing.
     
  6. Phily B

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  7. stargirl

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    yeah, like I said in my original post about it - once I could ignore my brain going 'THIS IS DIRECTLY FROM WOK AND SHATNER AND KHAAAAAN' I honestly felt like ZQ, and the movie, sold it. (particularly, like you said, because they'd built up his trouble with loss stemming from vulcan, and his family, and not wanting to experience that again). But because it was such a blatant re-creation of that specific scene, it was difficult for me to NOT think about it :/ I got there eventually though, sort of, and it's why I want to go see it again- to try and force myself, now that I know what to expect, to NOT compare it to WoK :)
     
  8. Phily B

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    Karl Urban nails the part of Bones again after I feared he may take a back seat after the promotional material; though it was obviously just to have a woman on there. Pegg was even more hilarious as Scotty too.

    Kirk is still a bit of a frat douche though, I hope he actually grows for the next movie which he should do.
     
  9. Commishsleer

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    Just back from seeing the movie at the IMAX.
    Loved it. Loved it. Loved it.
    Can't wait to see it again
     
  10. Chu'lak

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    Is it really Goldsmiths TMP\TNG theme or is it the Alexander Courage TOS theme?
     
  11. Chu'lak

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    Kirk's KHAAAAN in TWOK made no sense. he knew he was just buying time for Spock to repair the enterprise and beam them out in 2 hours. Was that just theatrics to fool khan into thinking he didnt have that ace up his sleave?
     
  12. Phily B

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    Sounded closer to Goldsmiths to me rather than the Courage version at the end of 2009 movie, though you're right it is Courage's theme for the credits it just sounded more Star Trek to me than the 2009 version.
     
  13. Admiral Buzzkill

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    I think that may be it, yeah. That explanation also makes Shatner look a little better - it's Kirk's over-the-top acting, not the Shat's. :lol:

    The other thing to consider, though, is that Kirk is really furious at Khan for reasons other than being "marooned" - he's just watched one Starfleet officer commit suicide and he's got a guy who served under him for who knows how many years lying on the floor in a coma, and Khan's responsible for both.
     
  14. mredom

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    In the "prime" universe, starfleet did not yet have the technology to beam people over great distances, but it was canonically shown in "Assignment: Earth" when Gary Seven is beamed from an extreme distance. It wasn't that it couldn't be done, it just couldn't be done by Starfleet, a problem which Montgomery Scott evidently later found a solution to.

    Just sayin'
     
  15. Phily B

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    If I was gonna be nitpicky, I'd say Admiral Marcus' plan was a little weird. What was the point in putting all the augments into torpedoes? Did he plan for Kirk to fire them at Kronos and detonate them? Or were they going to land on Kronos and cause havoc there? I know Marcus was going to destroy the Enterprise regardless of what happened on Kronos, but still....

    Also was kinda hoping for a little more pew pew, it was just the Vengeance owning the Enterprise and that was it. No other Starfleet ships within range of Earth?!
     
  16. Phily B

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    They say in the movie that "his" formula was taken, wiped clean and he was ordered never to use it again probably cause of temporal prime directive. Presumably, Section 31 got their hands on it - we saw in DS9 they could do it - which is why Khan does what he does.
     
  17. CorporalCaptain

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    Plus all the other recent casualties in Khan's wake: the scientist Terrell burned away instead of David (was that one of the reasons Terrell offed himself?), the scientists on the station tortured to death, not to mention Peter Preston and the other trainees and crew. And, the millions who might die if Khan escapes and deploys Genesis....
     
  18. NCC-1701-B

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    Disappointing. Is it really that hard to come up with new characters? Just taking a bunch of characters from the best star trek film and rehashing the plot isn't good enough. Lazy at best.

    And I agree, Khan is from 1996, and is still frozen, so has no reason to be a vengeful mass murderer. Abrams has not added anything new to star trek, only taken various bits from previous films/episodes and rehashed the story. Why not a new race from another part of the galaxy, or even another galaxy? :/


    I did however like seeing the NX-01 model on the desk.
     
  19. Phily B

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    They explain his motives and you even feel like he might even be a bit of a good guy. He has every reason to do what he does in the movie.

    Until you remember who he is, Spock Prime ends up warning Spock about him which is when you remember how much of a cunt he is. It's not really a rehash either, the plot is very different from either TOS or TWOK. I'd say the ending is more of a homage.
     
  20. Chu'lak

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    When has there ever been a starship near in Earth in a trek movie?

    "We're the only ship in the QUADRANT."- James Kirk TWOK