STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. Cadet49

    Cadet49 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Re: STID: The first sign that Abrahms is NOT infallable [-> G&D]

    The Next Generation is almost 30 years old, and started in the 1980s, so while I agree it might be preferred by some younger people to TOS, it still looks very "dated" in terms of the effects and story pacing, compared to the new Abrams version of Trek - TNG is the choice of their dads' generation - it's "old school", I think... :-)
     
  2. Cadet49

    Cadet49 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Exactly - Sci Fi fiction needs to modernize to stay relevent to the current audience - tastes evolve, as does technology. Growing up in the 1980s, I loved TOS and TNG, but now when i watch them, they seem very much representations of a certain audience of the decade they were created in - the 1960s and the 1980s. I love seeing how my favorite TOS characters are being reinterpreted for a modern audience!
     
  3. gornsky

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    Hi there,

    I must admit I am not quite clear on your concern here? Is it Michael Bay mixed with fanfic? In a way, yes. It's edge of your seat, visually-stunning action mixed with the character interaction and relationships that fans enjoy and have written about for years, mixed with some reflections on terrorism, our attempts to combat it, and where we cross the moral line between defence and revenge. That sounds like the best of all worlds to me.

    I like the fact that they are showing such respect for the original cast. Nimoy looked considerably older five years down the track from our last glimpse of him, and Shatner may never agree to appear. These actors, sadly, won't be around forever. How many more opportunities will the franchise have to embrace them?

    I assure you, he is doing exactly that. But confronted with the prospect of you-know-who, and actively asked about him, he compromises his promise to stay out of things and advises extreme caution.

    They explain how the Botany Bay was found, and why they were looking. Spock Prime has nothing to do with it.

    No, he hasn't done this.

    That depends on whether you like the resonance and sense of fate and destiny between the two timelines (in the way the same characters are drawn together and the universe tries to heal itself) or whether you want a completely new and disconnected story. And that, of course, is up to you. Me? I like a little resonance, as long as it's not overused. It was a little overused in the climax of this movie, for me. I probably would have pulled back a little on the mirroring.
     
  4. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I can't wait for this movie; I think it looks great.

    That said...if you find stuff like Abrams's Star Trek movies and all the other expensive noisy summer movies enervating and/or discouraging as far as the state of current film, here's a far more cogent examination of what's going on than you're going to find in the whinging around here or on any of the popular Internet movie sites:

    Soderbergh on cinema

    tl;dr? Your loss.
     
  5. SpHeRe31459

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    Thanks for great responses gornsky :)
     
  6. Flake

    Flake Commodore Commodore

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    This thread is gonna take off big time in about 18hrs when the first midnight showings finish! First it will be a trickle of grades & reviews... then a torrent when UK/AU/NZ/DE opening midnights & days begin fully !

    It is close to the end of the beginning!

    Are you ready for the workload M'Sharak? :)
     
  7. StarMan

    StarMan Vice Admiral Admiral

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    A few more solid reviews trickling in on RT. Creeping back up to 83% (24/5).
     
  8. Borgminister

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    It'll be a warmup for the 50th anniversary movie.
     
  9. RAMA

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    Re: STID: The first sign that Abrahms is NOT infallable [-> G&D]

    Brand new IMAX theater now open! Officially lists STID on May 15th. I am now going to be seeing it that day with 6 people. :-)

    RAMA
     
  10. RAMA

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    Rolling Stone calls it spectacular.
     
  11. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    You know, that's going to be a mistake; their big misstep.

    The 50th anniversary is a very big deal - to a dwindling number of people, most of whom are no longer their target demographic or audience. It's definitely a promotable event to the wider public, but I really doubt that it's worth enough dollars to make pushing a movie out by a certain date a goal that overrides all else.

    If after all that these two movies are accomplishing for them the studio execs think that the anniversary is more important than having Abrams's full attention on Star Trek for a couple of years I think they're probably wrong.
     
  12. Ovation

    Ovation Vice Admiral Admiral

    Quite so. There are any number of ways they could celebrate the anniversary without rushing a film. A touring mega-convention with everyone they can get to attend. A screening event of the extant movies like they did for the 25th anniversary--perhaps presented in various cities by Trek alumni. The kinds of things hardcore fans will attend (and they're the only ones who will really care about the 50th anniversary). People compare it to Bond's fiftieth, but that's a false comparison. Bond only has the films, really, while Trek has a lot more.
     
  13. Kruezerman

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    Bought my tickets square in the center, perfect seating!

    Going with about thirty of my friends too!
     
  14. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Really. You make a big promotion and event in September of 2016, get everyone from the TV shows and movies there and then Abrams can show ten minutes of the Star Trek movie that will be premiering in May of 2017. :lol:
     
  15. Borgminister

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    Add to that an epic new movie, and what a blast that would be.

    Of course if producing a quality movie in that time is impossible, then no need to rush it--that's a given.
     
  16. Ovation

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    Sounds like a plan. But will it meet with the approval of…nah, wrong forum to be posing that question. :lol:
     
  17. Titus Andronicus

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    I also read on Twitter that Bill Simmons, ESPN personality and Grantland.com editor (it's a sports/pop culture website) saw a screening of the film this evening. Said he enjoyed it.

    Considering I'm both a big fan of Trek and Simmons my evening has been made!
     
  18. Lord Garth FOI

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    Yay for Glenmorangie scotch and forum surfing
    Double yay
     
  19. Therin of Andor

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  20. Botany Bay

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    Well, now that's out of the way, my self imposed exile on Ceti Alpha 5 can end, and I look forward to visiting here again :lol:

    Spoilerish stuff may be ahead...:borg:



    Just saw it at a midnight screening in Australia. There was laughter, tears, and a very entertained crowd after the latest two hour non-stop action extravaganza from JJ and co.

    The opening 15 and final 15 minutes detract a bit, but the middle 90 minutes are quite intriguing. There is some real mystery in there, and those of you who have gone cold turkey on Star Trek websites to avoid spoilers will really have fun trying to figure it all out. I sure did.

    Yes it's a popcorn action movie, and there are some plot elements that weren't well thought out, but there is plenty of stuff in there for old TOS fans like me to love, and it's a fun action move for everyone else. The Abrams team get the balance right again, but most of all it's another really fun movie.

    Go see it at IMAX in 3D - mind blowing!

    8/10 :techman: