STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

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    I'm with you there. I read the novelization in a weekend, while trying to find someone to go to the movies with me to see TMP... and eventually went by myself.

    I was amazed, after seeing the film, that one "Starlog" I read as a back issue had actually printed a pic of the Voyager 6 probe set before the film came out! But that was really the only plot point that would have been a crucial spoiler. STiD has lots of 'em.
     
  2. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

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    1. For me, it was a complete surprise. I was convince that rumour was a red herring. It's... highly relevant. Not essential, but a thrill to see.

    2. I honestly don't remember. I was still... climbing back from the edge of my seat.
     
  3. Mad Jack Wolfe

    Mad Jack Wolfe Commander Red Shirt

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    So was Quasimodo's back.
     
  4. Jeyl

    Jeyl Commodore Commodore

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    Sounds like a bore fest if you couldn't stay awake long enough to realize what was going on..
     
  5. Ovation

    Ovation Vice Admiral Admiral

    I'm sure that's exactly the reason he will give, owing to his oh so negative reactions overall to the movie. :rolleyes:
     
  6. ConRefit79

    ConRefit79 Captain Captain

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    Re: STID: The first sign that Abrahms is NOT infallable [-> G&D]

    JJ will not be getting this fan's money.
     
  7. BillJ

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    Re: STID: The first sign that Abrahms is NOT infallable [-> G&D]

    But he sure is getting a whole hell of a lot of your time.
     
  8. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Meh, they could lose a good portion of the fan base - and they won't - and still be just fine. :cool:
     
  9. Franklin

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    Re: STID: The first sign that Abrahms is NOT infallable [-> G&D]

    It's fine to not like the movie, or feel it's nothing special, but exactly what does it lack to keep the franchise relevant? What roots does it forget? Especially if there are so many references to familiar things in STID.

    There is a supposedly clean slate to work with in this new universe, but I also think the producers have made it clear that while this may be a different universe, our heroes still seem bound to experience many similar things (take the comic stories, for example).

    Maybe this universe is more derivative of the old one than brand new -- which can be good or bad depending on the quality of the old product to begin with, and the quality of the derivative product.

    If this movie is this universe's take on TWOK, it's probably not fair to say it's unoriginal just because it borrows characters and bits from that movie. To me, it would be far more fair to say, "Is this a good story on its own?" And let the chips fall where they may based on that.

    If STID grosses more than the previous movie did, at the risk of sounding like an economic determinist, that does keep the franchise relevant.
     
  10. Kruezerman

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    Re: STID: The first sign that Abrahms is NOT infallable [-> G&D]

    So why are you here?
     
  11. ConRefit79

    ConRefit79 Captain Captain

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    Re: STID: The first sign that Abrahms is NOT infallable [-> G&D]

    Need to vent somewhere. Should we sit down and shut up while this hack perverts something we've cared about so long?
     
  12. RAMA

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    Re: STID: The first sign that Abrahms is NOT infallable [-> G&D]

    They sold on the order of 33-34 million tickets for the last movie. I'd say they'd do 40 million this time. I think they'll be ok without you.

    RAMA
     
  13. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Re: STID: The first sign that Abrahms is NOT infallable [-> G&D]

    It doesn't matter whether you do or don't, since the success and wide acceptance of what Abrams is doing - including among the vast majority of Star Trek fans - ensures that it will continue for some time.
     
  14. Kruezerman

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    Re: STID: The first sign that Abrahms is NOT infallable [-> G&D]

    Venting while not offering anything constructive to the subject goes against the point of this forum. Also, we have all debated you time and again and you've not budged one bit.
     
  15. Ovation

    Ovation Vice Admiral Admiral

    Re: STID: The first sign that Abrahms is NOT infallable [-> G&D]

    Who's "we"? Is there a club I don't know about? How does one become a member?

    By being a long-time fan? Been a fan for 40 years now.
    By having watched every iteration of the show and all the movies? Done and done.
    By having read/owned over 100 of the books/comics? Done and done.

    Anything else? No?

    Feel free to vent, but in my experience, people usually find it more satisfying to vent to a sympathetic audience--as the goal is usually to garner sympathy. But if the goal is something elseā€¦
     
  16. Flake

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    For those of you interested in Star Treks box-office potential, I have found this. It is the 'tracking' for Star Trek and a comment from the tracking company that Hollywood pay to research such things. (Reel Source)

    Code:
                           Male      Female   Adult     Male   Female
                           20-35     20-35      35+     Teen   Teen 
    
    TREK2
    Plan on Seeing:        90%        81%       86%      88%   78%
    Aware, Not Interested:  6%        10%        8%       7%   12% 
    Unaware:                4%         9%        6%       5%   10%
    
    Star Trek: Into Darkness" is as close to a sure thing as you can get
    this summer. The tracking is rock solid across all quadrants and it 
    is on track to open in the $95 million + range.
     
  17. Flake

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    Re: STID: The first sign that Abrahms is NOT infallable [-> G&D]

    Exactly. It is frustrating to see some people marking down the movie because of these supposed issues instead of just enjoying the movie for what it is. Straight out of the blocks this movie is on -3/10 for some people just because it does not agree with their personal vision of Star Trek.
     
  18. KirkusOveractus

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    Re: STID: The first sign that Abrahms is NOT infallable [-> G&D]

    Someone here in work saw Iron Man 3 over this past weekend with his son (who is 7 and a huge Iron Man fan). They saw the STID trailer before it, and now the son wants to see it, in fact is excited to see it!

    Nothing to worry about - another fan has been brought in and will happily take your spot in ticket sales.
     
  19. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    You could have taken the trouble to respond to what he actually said, but all you bring is a petty attempt at a thread-shit? If that's the best you can manage, perhaps you ought to give some thought to not posting at all.

    Have you considered starting a blog? Pretty much license to vent, those are.
     
  20. Mach5

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    Re: STID: The first sign that Abrahms is NOT infallable [-> G&D]

    None of the 716 episodes of Star Trek made from 1966-2005, and none of ten pre-2009 movies suffered any kind of perversion from JJ Abrams. You can check for yourself. Your DVD's are still there, and unless you scratched the shit out of them, you can still enjoy them just like you did pre-09.

    On the other hand, the perversion Braga was doing from 1995 onward is pretty much irreparable, but I don't see you bitch about that.