STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Everything does. Success is a ridiculously broad term, and the moment someone generalized about it as a way of criticizing the movie they shot way wide.

    If you said "one cannot expect to become a medical doctor without going through the required educational process and training," I certainly wouldn't contradict you; that would be dumb.

    If, OTOH, you want to claim that "formal education is a prerequisite for success" - well yes, I can define "success" in about a thousand ways that make you wrong, and every one of them is entirely valid. :lol:
     
  2. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    Then now would be a great time to go start a thread about it in a forum appropriate to that topic.

    Ruffles.
     
  3. drumvan

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  5. Flake

    Flake Commodore Commodore

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    Yes they are all excellent reviews

    I did spot one critic on twitter comparing it to Iron Man 2. It was the Daily Telegraphs critic, so there is a negative review incoming.
     
  6. JarodRussell

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    Ironically, none of those guy's companies take applications from folks without certified education, even though the company founders didn't have one either.
     
  7. Ryan8bit

    Ryan8bit Commodore Commodore

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    Comparing successful business entrepreneurs starting on their own to an employee working one's self up the ranks of an established organization doesn't really make sense anyways.
     
  8. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

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    You already challenged that point, and I responded.

    My main point of my post was that only a decade ago, fans were being asked to be open-minded about his fanfilms. Sure, he's allowed to hate JJ's films. Deliberately spoilerizing fans about the new film via his Facebook page is disappointing.
     
  9. ConRefit79

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    I never read his post. Did he deliberately spoil it? Or was it mis-direction like the actors saying it's Mitchell or some other character in previous interviews?
     
  10. Opus

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    Sounds like he had a tantrum...
     
  11. RAMA

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    Reviews are better than I expected. A very good sign that..

    Edit: Continuing to read: Wow, these are REALLY good, one calls it JJAbrams BEST FILM YET. One states: "Star Trek Into Darkness may well set the benchmark for rollercoaster sci-fi that will indeed challenge your view of how space adventures can and should be delivered."

    One calls the movie: "modest" LOL the $185 million blockbuster that's on a bigger scale than the ST09 movie..
     
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  12. ConRefit79

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    Too bad. Guess he let his passion get the better of him.
    Wish they would release another movie.
     
  13. RAMA

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    The Denofgeek one has a good summary:


    Appreciating that Iron Man 3 kicked summer blockbuster season 2013 off by subverting the comic book movie genre and, in places, turning it on its head, what Star Trek Into Darkness has done is no less impressive. It's played its hand a lot straighter, with a three act story bustling with characters it's fun to spent time with, unified by a director who not only knows how to shoot an action sequence, but who also continues to prove he's a damn good storyteller. The end result? An exciting, entertaining and pretty excellent blockbuster. Let the clamour for another movie start right here...
     
  14. RAMA

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  15. SeerSGB

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    Been reading the reviews and digging for spoilers (which is getting easier and easier). Just visually the movie's going to kick ass. I am concerned they've crammed to much into one movie. Seems like it could make 2 movies easily.

    I know people in HR that consider a college degree to be the new high school diploma. Every six months they get flooded with a batch of the new grads or soon to be grads with fresh degrees in whatever "guaranteed money making career" they got talked into majoring in when they sent out their college applications back in highschool. Best advice I ever got regarding college: 1) Unless it's your passion, just audit classes and pick up certifications, screw the degree. 2) Practice saying "Would you like to upsize to a large combo?" cause that's about what your degree will be worth when you get out.
     
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  16. I am not Spock

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    The Trek fanbase will always be divided. It's a shame more fans can't practice IDIC. Each new production is going to create some new fans, and alienate some old ones.

    Funny, a lot of fans of nu Doctor Who don't go back and watch the old stuff. And yet quite a few fans of ST 09 do want to go back and check out the old episodes. I think it's just that their appetite for Trek is awakened and needs to be satiated :cool: They are hungry for more material.
     
  17. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Yep. Gotta clock a lot of hours at Burger King to pay off that 100K loan, too.
     
  18. Franklin

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    Yeah. With all the talk of so much action and intrigue, I've been worried for a while that one of the criticisms of this movie would be that they tried to do so much that either they couldn't pull it all together for a decent payoff, or that it goes off track and becomes a mess. But so far, so good with the reviews.

    On the secondary topic ;) : I advise students to take the liberal arts approach in college these days. No one should go to college just to be a "WHATEVER" any more, or major myopically in "WHATEVER." More and more students are being advised to plan on having three or more careers in the real world during their working lives, so flexibility is a must. Just having a college degree creates no future certainty any more, we're certain of that.
     
  19. Admiral Buzzkill

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    If you're going to spend the time and money to pursue a four year degree or beyond, you ought to have a very clear understanding of why you're doing it and what your goal is as well as what it's actually worth to you. Otherwise you're going to wind up with little more than a useless degree and some peculiar memories of how you spent your free time.

    Unfortunately as others have noted, college in the U.S. now is a default - everyone goes because they're expected to, because it puts off adulthood for another four or more years and because if you don't go you're viewed as having fallen below some basic threshold of minimal achievement and therefore have failed or been denied an "opportunity" that's close to an entitlement. A hugely dysfunctional set of attitudes.

    Full disclosure - I have a four year degree. I did further study but didn't pursue an M.A.
     
  20. Ryan8bit

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    IDIC is nonsense, much like several other touted "philosophies" of Star Trek. It's a shame that any fans try and make any real world application of it.
     

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