Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.
Must you make everything sound dirty?
But I agree, though I love both I do tend to rank them equally. Where one isn't quite as strong, the other picks up on it, they have their own strengths.
Did TrekBBS ever conduct a poll about the 2009 film?
That poll would be found in this thread:
I see that, and I remember a bit of the "statement" that he read about (I think it was) Tom Arnold.
"I will not insult Tom Arnold. To do so would be too easy a task. It would be like pooping on poop." (Or words to that effect.)
I can't help it, it comes naturally.
Indeed they do, and I'm always in the mood to watch either of them.
I watched it again last night
F. F- if possible. It is my least favorite Star Trek movie of all time.
Kirk is back to acting like either a stereotypical high school jock or every bad Kirk parody ever made when the movie starts. Spock also shows signs of pride that don't fit the character like his "Now that I'm back we don't need you attitude to Carol Marcus. Logically wouldn't having an extra skilled science officer be considered a good thing?
The space combat continues the routine of the Enterprise either getting disabled in one or two salvos and deploying a landing party to sabotage the enemy ship, or the Enterprise deploying the Saboteur team and only joining the fight after or at least as their team is in the midst of crippling it. Where did the writers get the idea that every villain needed a supership?
Don't even get me started on the absurdity of Khan's blood being able to revive the dead.
Edit: Oh another thing if I remember correctly the movie mentions the Enterprise passing through the Klingon Neutral Zone. How was the Klingon Neutral Zone formed early in this timeline? In the Original universe the Klingon Neutral Zone was formed as part of the Organian imposed peace treaty years after the movie so where did the one in the movie come from?
Why not? Blood therapy is a real thing. Khan's blood already cured the little girl and revived the tribble. Plus it's not like Kirk had been dead for days or even hours.
Khan's blood treating the little girl in the hospital I have no problem with. Khan's blood reviving a dead tribble on the other hand or being a cure for fatal radiation poisoning on the other hand is crazy. Even more so because he showed absolutely no sign of such abilities in Space Seed or the Wrath of Khan and since the split between the timelines occurred long after his creation his basic abilities should be identical. If Khan's blood could revive the dead why didn't he use it to save his wife in the original timeline?
Agreed. Curing a disease is one thing, bringing a corpse back to life is another. Especially Kirk, who was destroyed by radiation. A dose massive enough to kill him in minutes.
Either way, not a fan of the Magic Blood™ storyline.
Equipment. Khan in ID is much more familiar with Starfleet equipment that TWOK Khan would be. His ability to heal and resilience to injury are actually a part of Space Seed dialog. Now include Section 31 resources to determine to what extent his abilities can be used and we see a different side of it. His wife died far away from any facility or equipment Khan used in ID to cure the little girl.
Also, curing radiation poisoning of Kirk is no less far fetched to me than Crusher inoculating everyone against radiation poisoning in First Contact.
You never know? Those inoculations may have evolved from blood samples McCoy probably took from Khan in "Space Seed".
What a great Trek rationalization. I like it.
A fair point, and definitely connects it all together
I think boosting the Immune system and other systems to resist damage or at least ignore the symptoms makes more sense then it magically undoing the damage.
But it is a sci-fi movie. Sci-fi movies are suppose to be fun and do things that can't be done in other types of storytelling. Like faster than light travel, inter-species mating and machines that can disintegrate you and put you back together again.
So we got 'magic blood'. It works within the context of the film and greater Star Trek universe for me, so I go with it.
I've had a blast every single time I've watched the Abrams films.
Magical red stuff seems to be a theme in these films. What's next?
That was Abrams.
With Lin, who knows?
Also, considering the blood therapies that are being researched and actively used, "magic blood" () is closer to science than light speed travel and transporters.
Why is one acceptable and one is not? Is it too many magic beans?
Are they using blood to bring corpses back to life? Zombie apocalypse incoming!
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