Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.
I watch the episodes and enjoyed them and the callbacks. I think callbacks are part of the fun.
I'd wager a month's pay that far more people watched the "Augments" than seriously dislike the Abrams films.
You do that.
Honestly, I'm not knocking them. I hear tell they were better than the bulk of the series and part of Manny Coto's close brush with rescuing it.
I think what separates the two is that "The Augments" is distant enough to be referred to as a call back, whereas STID really goes out of its way to replicate the same beats of that situation with the same TOS characters (albeit reversed).
The end scenes on the Bird-of-Prey are pretty reminiscent of the end scenes on the Reliant.
Heck... this is what is in the transcript of the episode:
I think it's more about whether one likes the Abrams films or not. If you like them, you'll tend to cut the reuse some slack. If you don't, then it's just one more mark against the creative team. YMMV.
If Malik did start reciting Moby Dick dialogue and intended to destroy the Enterprise with his self destruction, I would say they went further beyond doing a call back.
For what it's worth, when I was watching the flick and that scene came up, I was thinking "you gotta be kidding me", but then I started to get into it because the actors were doing a hell of a job selling the scene (Chris Pine's "I'm scared Spock" is great). It was actually working for me. But then Spock yelled "KHHHHHAAAAAAAN" and it dropped like a brick, or a starship plummeting down San Fransisco. They had me, they didn't have to take it further with that awful bit.
I only first saw STID last month, and today feel jaded that it doesn't fulfill advance promos that told us someone detonated the fleet. I didn't see any fleet detonations in it.
That's because it should have been Lazarus as the villain. He could detonate universes, let alone a simple thing like a Starfleet.
I'm starting to think whoever wrote that advance ad copy, as well as whoever approved it, doesn't have a firm grasp of the English language.
Oh my God, the next movie should totally be the reboot "The Alternative Factor." Nobody but nobody would see that coming.
Yeah, that was a head scratcher. When I heard that, all I could think of was "the fleet what?" because you don't detonate a fleet. You can destroy a fleet, you can decimate a fleet, but you can't detonate a fleet, unless you armed all of their matter/anti-matter chambers to explode, but even then, detonating the fleet doesn't sound right, and doesn't quite work. Not the fault of the movie, though, which I enjoyed immensely!
The moment of detonation referred to occurs at 2:28
Section 31 secret underground hanger go BOOM!
That could have had something to do with what the copy-writer was on about, but the fleet isn't being detonated. In fact it wasn't even that damaging if IIRC. Just a way for HK to get SF top brass in one place. Combine the two events and you are closer in a metaphorical sense, but it still doesn't really work that well.
Or to quote teacake (November 27 2012):
I have no idea.
Just a fun nugget: Seems that Jerome Bixby ("Mirror, Mirror", "The Day of the Dove", "Requiem for Methuselah") would've pitched an episode where the Enterprise lands on a water world if TOS had been renewed.
Its funny how people still "wander" in to watch the movie. I also talked to someone recently who just saw the movie for the first time, and he said it was the only movie he recently saw that he stayed awake through...success!
I just watched the Paramount apology to the fans for screwing us over with special content spread across several exclusive retailers - aka "Star Trek: The Compendium" Blu-ray.
On the whole, I enjoyed the film more than the first time around because I was prepared for the onslaught to my fan sensibilities. So not bad. There was a bunch of humor I enjoyed. I just had to watch it for the entertainment value and forget I am a fan of Star Trek.
Oh, and the underwear scene - I think people protest way too much.
They definitely protest too much. It's like they forgot about Bill Theiss' costumes, or the camera angles when they focused on women in TNG, or Dax's very skin tight bathing suit in DS9, or any of the Dabo girls for that matter, or Seven's thermal suit in VOY, the decon gel scenes in ENT. I mean, flipping out over an underwear scene was just absurd.
"Sexual appeal!? What does this man think we are? Star Wars fans?! Sex appeal has no place in Star Trek! It's a Philosopher's Reli-er, show! Philosopher's show about deep things! Deep, deep things about thinking and stuff!"
I credit Bill Theiss for my very early love of the female form!
Nobody got "screwed over." Fandom has no one to blame for this but themselves. No one was forced to buy the first Star Trek Into Darkness Blu-Rays; anyone who double-dipped (myself included) did so knowing full well that Paramount would very likely eventually re-release the film again. That Paramount felt the need to apologize is nice and all, but was also largely unnecessary.
I've bought each of the Abrams films twice on Blu-ray. I've bought TOS and TNG on various formats, first ten movies on VHS/DVD/Blu-ray.
People act like this is the first time Paramount/CBS has asked them to double-dip on Trek.
People have short memories.
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