STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. mattman8907

    mattman8907 Captain Captain

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    so when kirk makes his speech at the end of the movie, he said "nearly a year" had passed since all of the events prior to the epilogue happened, so does that mean it is now 2260? or is it still 2259?
     
  2. Jerikka Dawn

    Jerikka Dawn Commander Red Shirt

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    I think what's good about this movie is that, should they ever do a sequel to the Khan story in the future, say when Kirk is getting up in age and Khan steals a ship to take revenge on Kirk and Spock, we know for a 100% definitive fact that Chekov was in Engineering the entire time Khan was aboard the Enterprise, should Khan try to remember any faces in the future.
     
  3. Set Harth

    Set Harth Vice Admiral Admiral

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    It's probably 2260.
     
  4. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Admiral Admiral

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    I'd guess 2260, since the movie starts on 2259.55.

    It's interesting to note that according to the Best Buy ID extras the one-year gap was added in post production, merely by adding a pause to Kirk's speech. The After Darkness comics (which were probably written after seeing an early cut of the movie) ignore the gap altogether.
     
  5. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRlSUPDytYg[/yt]
     
  6. Shaka Zulu

    Shaka Zulu Commodore Commodore

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    THIS.

    Also, Kirk and Spock are what as known as Ho Yay (as well as being the inspiration for it in recent times.)

    As for Star Trek focusing too much on the men, I'd suggest watching this fan show that has two women (a human and a Vulcan) in it that focuses on their friendship hauling cargo from one star to the other:

    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mHyGlqsjsQ[/yt]

    For my part as a male, (and if Saldana and Eve are in the next movie), I'd like to see both Uhura and Marcus in a scene (set about, say, a shuttlecraft) talking about something other than the guys in their life (perhaps something related to the mission?)
     
  7. Phily B

    Phily B Commodore Commodore

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    I really look back at this movie fondly and enjoyed it a lot.

    But for some reason I just don't have an urge to watch it again. Like I'd rate it my third favourite Trek movie, but out of all the movies I'd rather watch Trek 09 and FC the most. Weird.
     
  8. Smellmet

    Smellmet Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I think it's a great movie, better than 09
     
  9. HaventGotALife

    HaventGotALife Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I have a couple of questions I would liked answered.

    1. Why was it necessary to put Spock in the volcano?

    2. Why is Kirk the only one making decisions in STiD? Where's the Conference table?

    3. Why did Khan hide his people in the Torpedoes? Isn't the nature of a torpedo that it would put them in more danger?

    4. Why don't they just beam up to the Enterprise? You've got a transporter that can go halfway across the galaxy, but not one that can send a crew to the ship?

    Honestly, the whole "I'll demote you until you're Captain again in ten minutes" gave my whiplash. The music choices in this movie drive me up the wall. Scotty and Bones's humor just grates on my nerves. Uhura has more lines, but being an ancillary character to Spock sends this feminist into fits. And if Uhura is nothing more than a pouty girlfriend, what do you think I think of Carol Marcus?

    But what bothers me the most in the relationship between Kirk and Spock. There is no love there. All they have done is challenge each other. They hate one-another, yet I am supposed to believe that they are best friends that would go ape if one of them dies. Why? And the "nods" that take full lines out of other scripts because they cannot explain with their own story why Kirk and Spock would do the things they did.

    God, the more I watch it the worse it gets. It doesn't tell an interesting tale; this is becoming a dystopia.
     
  10. Coloratura

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    The fusion device couldn't be beamed or detonated remotely due to the high activity. It had to be placed directly inside the volcano. The plan was to simply use a shuttle and lower Spock into the volcano long enough to set the bomb and detonate it. The high heat and electromagnetic activity (which does result from erupting volcanoes) caused a number of issues, and plans had to change.

    Kirk's not the only one making decisions; Spock makes a number of decisions, as does Sulu, Chekov, McCoy, and Uhura. They just don't use a conference table.

    As Khan explains in the film, his plan was to smuggle them out from under Section 31's nose. Admiral Marcus discovered this. This is why there were fields masking the internals of the torpedoes.

    Who is "they"? That aside, the transwarp beaming formula was confiscated shortly after it was used (this is explained in the movie), so that only the higher levels of Section 31 even know of its existence.

    All of these things are explained in the film.

    I disagree with your opinions here. This movie feels like, if anything, pure Star Trek at its best. Character clashes, swashbuckling adventure, a strong theme of morality underlying everyone's motivation, a healthy dose of nostalgia from callbacks, and fantastic visuals to keep you on your toes.

    By the way, as a feminist myself, I can honestly say that Uhura's character has never been stronger, than in these movies. I am rather surprised that you do not see that.
     
  11. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Then you might want to quit watching. I know I don't like "Spock's Brain" and "Threshold", so I don't revisit them so I can complain about them. :shrug:
     
  12. Tosk

    Tosk Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Being a feminist doesn't mean that your opinion on the handling of nuUhura is more relevant than Havent's. To state that she is stronger and then tell him he just can't see it seems a bit imperious.

    I'm not saying she is or isn't, just that both opinions can be correct. :)
     
  13. 2takesfrakes

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    My only complaint about this movie? It needed more Alice Eve. A lot more Alice Eve ...
     
  14. Coloratura

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    In this case, that's the point I'm making. He uses his feminism as a point that the movie is terrible. My comment is to show that his feminism isn't the only feminism, and some of us see her actions as empowerment rather than submission.
     
  15. HaventGotALife

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    I have a question for you: does she have one scene that doesn't have to do with her relationship to Spock? She starts off in the turbolift talking about Pike's death and ends up telling Kirk that she's frustrated with Spock. She tells Kirk to tell Spock that his cold fusion device detonated, yet she takes off the earpiece and throws it because she's mad at Spock. She broods and doesn't confront him. They are going into enemy territory and she is so distracted she has to get out her feelings instead of choosing a more appropriate time. She's not focused on the mission, and it almost gets them killed. And in terms of writing, all she does is let Spock express his feelings. She fails to convince the Klingons and needs someone else to save her.

    In the last movie, every time Spock left the bridge, there's Uhura running to the turbolift, looking in his direction. It bothered me, but her ability to tell Romulan languages apart, she decodes the Klingon message that led to Kirk saving the day--she had things to do--she belonged on the bridge.

    Did Sulu or Chekov act so unprofessionally? Sulu gets some badass lines in this one, telling Spock off and he tells Harrison they are coming after him. Chekov works with Scotty to come up with a plan to save the Enterprise. She has more lines in this movie than the original character, but she doesn't do anything that shows she is competent to be on the bridge.

    That was not my intention. My intention was to see what I missed upon my original viewing because my memory isn't perfect. I have seen it a sum total of 4 times.
     
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  16. CorporalCaptain

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    Does going out alone to talk to the Klingons count as one such scene? I think it does.

    Kirk died so thoroughly that he had to be brought back to life by someone else. Pike bought the farm, and Spock almost kicked the bucket in the teaser. Before Kirk died, he got demoted and lost his command. Scotty got fired. Marcus got his head squished. There's quite a bit of failure to go around in this film, and I'm not sure how all the failure is being heaped on the shoulders of Uhura or the female characters.

    If Uhura's not getting the spotlight, it's probably because she wasn't one of the main characters on the original show, either.
     
  17. HaventGotALife

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    They wouldn't be in that situation without her conversation with Spock.
     
  18. CorporalCaptain

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    Wait, what???? You're saying that because Uhura's mind is on her relationship with Spock, that she botches the conversation with the Klingons????
     
  19. HaventGotALife

    HaventGotALife Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    No, the conversation with Spock leads to them being attacked without warning. They wouldn't have been caught off-guard if the relationship wasn't the only thing on her mind.
     
  20. Tosk

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    Gah, you're right. I totally missed that. I apologize for my post. :alienblush: