Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.
Because S31 confiscated it then made its use by anyone else illegal?
It's a formula he has been working on already, Spock only gave him the final hints he would have found out anyways in the future. He surely would remember it.
Again, how would that stop Scotty from using it on the Enterprise when he needs to. A) anyways, B) after they got rid of Admiral Marcus and it became clear that Section 31 was illegal itself.
I'm not trying to pick on you, neoworx...
Aren't all transporters, "trick transporters"? Working and broken whenever the story requires them to be. Isn't that part of the reason behind the Prime Directive? To keep our heroes from just being able to disappear whenever a situation becomes too dangerous for them to handle?
Transporters are miracle workers in the Prime timeline as well. Need kids restored to their adult selves? Pull out the transporter trace. Need to save your doctor from a rampant aging disease? Grab some DNA and rebuild her body from scratch using the transporter.
A) Scott is law abiding. B) I do not see what use it would have been after [Khan] got rid of Marcus...
Old Spock with surely could, but Scotty would probably have to refer to countless old notes and files in order to reconstruct it - all of which I'm sure were confiscated.
I'm assuming there's a little more to it than left, right, left, right, B, A, START.
We see from ST09 that he gets the main idea.
The transwarp transporter is a bit like the Iconian Gateway. If it can really take objects and people from A to B, in the galaxy, in a blink of an eye then it considerably reduces the purposes of starships. The transwarp transporter is not only capable of working across large distances, but it can probably beam through shields and target objects moving at high velocity.
With a large enough transwarp transporter it could probably transport whole ships from A to B. Enemy ships attacking the Federation? Beam them into the centres of stars. Want to send a starship hundreds of light years away? Transport it! The transwarp transporter is a device as potent as warp drive for totally revolutionizing a civilization. I'm surprised the Federation is not fully utilising its potential in the JJ universe.
That's the thing, though. In the Prime universe, this same type of technology exists, yet is never or only seldom used.
You mean like how the "Genesis Wave" works, and how Spock was resurrected, and how they saved the whales, and how they got the centre of the universe so fast, and how Klingons have pink blood?
This is Section 31 we're talking about and since Khan stole a transwarp transporter device, it could very be likely that Section 31 made duplicates. Heck if they could make a virus which the Founders could not cure then Section 31 seems very capable at reverse engineering technologies and coming up with new ones.
Also I'm sure they have other top secret R 'n' D facilities out there. If they did duplicate the transwarp transporter device then Section 31 must have scattered their stockpile of these devices.
Something about not placing all your eggs in one basket...
All I know is that if transwarp beaming makes starships obsolete in the Abramsverse, then the way the regular transporter is used in the Prime timeline should make death obsolete.
They are hardly in a position to do that, because Section 31 is not actually part of the government. They're a criminal conspiracy, a rogue element. Nothing more.
And on a totally unrelated matter: I found another TOS character reference. It's displayed on the readout screens in Kirk's hospital room at the end of the film.
It's Doctor Boyce.
Or do you mean "If you define Star Trek as what was shown in the TNG era - it was poor..."?
I ask because as someone who what 'Star Trek' first run on NBC in the 1960ies - it was more 'Star Trek' then ANYTHING done in the TNG era. They nailed the TOS era well in both the 2009 film and STID. (IMO)
In Star Trek Into Darkness, Admiral Marcus freely tells his collected cadre of Starship commanders that it (Section 31) is essentially Starfleet's intelligence division.
Now, you could argue that "Oh, Marcus only said that because he knew Khan would show up to kill all of them," but as I recall, Marcus and Khan weren't exactly working together anymore and it was Kirk who figured it out mere moments before Khan showed up in his little fighter to blast away Pike and everyone else. So clearly even if Marcus threw 31 under the bus to explain away Khan, its a big "tell" that all those starship captains now know about it if all the organization is happens to be a criminal element.
How then, do you qualify Section 31 a "criminal conspiracy" and "nothing more" when it's been established that it was part of the Federation charter and in this very film as being entirely legit?
^ I do happen to agree that Marcus only spilled the beans to those officers (and, in that other scene in Marcus' office, Kirk himself) because he knew they were about to die. I do believe Marcus agreed to that attack and knew Khan would show up and kill them all.
Marcus did conveniently survive, after all.
Besides, Starfleet already has an intelligence division. It's called...wait for it...Starfleet Intelligence.
Section 31 blowed up
Marcus' meeting with captains and first officers get shot to Hell
"Harrison" beams to Q'onos
Scotty discovers the transwarp beaming gizmo in the scoutship wreck
Kirk runs to Marcus with this news
Marcus spills the beams about Section 31
Enterprise heads out
Starfleet doesn't have to be flawless but there doesn't seem to be much of a point when the protagonist Kirk feels that a lot of the rules shouldn't apply to him, when there's such a disconnect between how he and Spock feel about the Prime Directive compared to how the admirals do and when the reasons for Marcus's villainy were so underdeveloped.
That you build off of something doesn't mean you're trapped by it. I really liked that TNG was pretty different from ST and DS9 from both (while Voyager was indeed too TNG extension).
Obviously the scenes take place in different stages of the characters' lives but it felt unbelievable that they would therefore speak and act so similarly.
The biggest problem I see there is that your premise is faulty; you're not looking at this (forgive me) logically, after all. What I read spends precisely one sentence on the subject of the DVD, and devolves thereafter into a rant - a largely emotional reaction to "one specific, overwhelming issue with STID" which, goes the contention, "should upset just about every Star Trek fan," and which is further misrepresented as having been "introduced out of nowhere," when it really wasn't.
If you don't like something, that's fine, and it's your prerogative. But please - don't try dressing it up as something it's not and then proclaim that everyone else ought to hate it, too. That's insulting the intelligence of your reader, which is hardly ever a good way to go about making a point.
Please put me down as being appropriately shocked.
Being Section 31, they're not exactly going to post he formula online for all to see. Plus, I'm not sure there is gonna be much of an S31 now that their leader is dead and their giant warship ended up in downtown San Francisco. If I were a member, I'd think it might be time to lay low for awhile.
I am 51 and have been watching Star Trek since I can remember. last night with my wife away I rented Into Darkness. To say I was disappointed would be a huge understatement, in fact it is the only Star Trek movie I have ever fallen asleep while watching. Admittedly only for a few minutes.
The first movie with this new crew was very good and set the stage for a whole new Star Trek. With this latest offering they have taken the arguably the best Start Trek movie of all time "Wrath of Khan" and bastardized it! Nothing new and a very poor adaptation of the original.
With the huge budgets and an endless story possibilities available in a never ending universe, this is the best thing they could come up with?? Reversing the characters Kirk for Spock, in one of the most memorable scenes not just in Star Trek history but in cinematic history was a travesty. I was embarrassed.
What's with senior star fleet crew not only having a relationship but openly kissing on deck? I must be getting old and presume this sort of rubbish is aimed at a newer generation. I can't believe the new Star Trek viewers are that stupid!
Character development in this movie was puerile. Again, I must be showing my age but what's with the casual relationship and interactions between the captain and his subordinate officers and crew?
I just wanted to vent and will never post another comment. I joined today just to express my disappointment to people who might understand.
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