STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. Gov Kodos

    Gov Kodos Admiral Admiral

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    The 'Into Darkness' dress uniforms reminded me of the 'Forbidden Planet' uniforms more than anything else.
     
  2. SeerSGB

    SeerSGB Admiral Admiral

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    Forbidden Planet, the landing party uniforms in "The Cage".
     
  3. PKerr

    PKerr Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I't funny how a few people are trying to convince me of the whole hat thing that was a flash on the screen of an original un-aired pilot that no one in the show ever actually wore.
     
  4. King Daniel Beyond

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    Not trying to convince you of anything. Pointing out that they had uniform hats. It's fun trivia, and fact.
     
  5. PKerr

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    OK, but they did away with various things from the un-aired pilot, that was obviously one of them as we never saw it again.

    I'm just pointing out that I'm being sent links to a picture of a hat on a table, It's not going to change my opinion that I suddenly like it.
     
  6. SeerSGB

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    We did see it: Menagerie has footage with the hat in it. And the cage is less "unaired" and more "delayed". It was first shown on TV in '88 and has been in and out of the syndication run since then, and was included in the remastered run.

    Anyways: The STID dress uniforms strike me more as a retro-future look based on someone trying to take a modern day Marine dress uniform and sci-fi it up. See a lot of Forbidden planet (majority of it FP), The Cage, anime and Marine dress uniform style rolled up in the look.
     
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  7. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    Congtratulations: you got sucked in by a political troll image nearly two years old, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the thread topic or forum.

    Given your acknowledgement of it in the manner quoted above, he then feels he's justified in responding thus:

    Which amounts to "Nyah, same to you!"

    (Great, we're really operating on a high level now, aren't we?)

    And also leaves things open for a third party to chime in, not entirely unpredictably:

    Neat, but that's completely off-topic, and it's out of place in this forum.

    To reiterate: NO politics in this forum unless it's relevant to the topic, please. PKerr, maybe it's time you got an av image that's a little more current.

    All of you guys ought to have known better, so knock it off now. (Take it to PM at the very least, but keep it out of here.)

    And Nazis, too? Swell. :rolleyes:
     
  8. trevanian

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    Pretty sure Pike had an old TV in his quarters too. But that doesn't legitimize the VIC 20 that Kirk has in his home in TWOK.

    If you're trying to justify hats in Starfleet, just go to the goofy things in TSFS ... they look just as bad as the ID ones, though they don't give off the STARSHIP TROOPERS vibe that I get from most of 09 and ID ('enlisting guarantees ... a free replicator, i guess.')
     
  9. suarezguy

    suarezguy Commodore Commodore

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    That seemed the way that not only Pike but almost all of the other leaders felt; Spock having such esteem for the PD in not being observed but not caution against a mission that would greatly risk them being observed seemed illogical.

    Then he should have tried more to defend the mission to the brass; you don't have to spell everything out but it seemed too much like he really did a back-stabbing and/or naively didn't anticipate how anyone else would react.

    Saw the episode, don't remember the scene, hope it wasn't so jerky.

    I myself didn't get why he would put himself in danger but, once he was in it, the reasons for his reserve were clear.

    Both seemed reckless to me.

    TWoK and TUC had some contrivances; what was contrived about FC, and how were any of the three convoluted?

    The film and reactions are some three months old, not a long time passage, and some people (myself included) watched it later than opening day. And thinking it's worse than the other films or even giving it an F isn't crass ire.

    That would be inappropriate and annoying while criticizing it in conversations about films, let alone sci-fi or blockbusters, would be neither.
     
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  10. JarodRussell

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    I love it every time someone says stuff like "You think STD is bad? Well, every Trek has been bad."

    It's like "If you don't like my favorite Trek, you shouldn't enjoy your favorite Trek!!!"
     
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  11. Therin of Andor

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    I know I can't convince you of anything. I just thought others might be interested in a trivia factoid. I, myself, was thrilled to recognize its inspiration.
     
  12. SeerSGB

    SeerSGB Admiral Admiral

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    It isn't that. It's more like you can't hold the newer part of the franchise to a higher standard than you do the older parts--and vice versa. If you're willing to let one slide, then you should let the other slide. Not saying you have to enjoy both or nothing, just be fair about being critical.
     
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  13. JarodRussell

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    Why not? Standards change, as we're talking taste here.
     
  14. SeerSGB

    SeerSGB Admiral Admiral

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    Again, simple fairness. You can't bust JJ Abrams nuts over some of the sillier things he's done with the reboots and let Gene Roddenberry, Berman, Braga, all have a pass for equally silly/same things.
     
  15. BillJ

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    Simple fairness doesn't come into play when one has an ax to grind. :lol:

    Star Trek has always played fast-and-loose with the laws of physics. If you hate this movie because of that then there's no way possible you can like the rest of Trek.
     
  16. JarodRussell

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    Of course you can. Since when is taste fair? If you don't like the overall film, of course you find flaws in it. Sole nitpicks are never the reason people don't like a film, they are only symptoms picked as examples in discussions.


    Discussions here usually go this way:

    Person 1: I fucking loved it.
    Person 2: Yeah, it was great.
    Person 3: I want babies with it.
    Person 4: Meh, I didn't like it.
    Person 1: Why?
    Person 2: Why?!
    Person 3: WHY?!?!
    Person 4: Yeah, you know, because of this and that and those and these.
    And the shitstorm begins where Person 4 has to defend his opinion down to the tiniest detail against those other people. And eventually Person 4 gets bullied into argument corners and then labelled as butthurt or extremely nerdy, who "can't enjoy something for what it is", or who is on a hate quest against the director/cast/writer.

    It also goes the other way round when the majority dislikes a film and someone comes in saying he liked it.
     
  17. SeerSGB

    SeerSGB Admiral Admiral

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    There's a difference between "Well I didn't like the story/cast /SFX" and

    "It's stupid case of XYZ! TOS would have never done XYZ!"

    "Well TOS did do XYZ"

    "Uh well that was TOS, that's different,"

    "How?"

    "Cause TOS was sci-fi!"

    If the story or the cast didn't appeal to you, fine. If you think it's a rehash or an all flash no substance movie, fine. But don't bust on them when they do the same bullshit we laud the other series for. Just cause the bullshit is from a different supplier doesn't make it any less bullshit.
     
  18. AUbricklogic

    AUbricklogic Ensign Red Shirt

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    Honestly you're both describing the extremist corner of both views. There are a handful who exist there, but its a very small percentage.

    One thing I think we can agree on is that extremists with radical bias of anything is usually detrimental to any discussion.
     
  19. PKerr

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    Slow clap, well said sir, well said.
     
  20. DalekJim

    DalekJim Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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