Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.
Finally got around to voting... solid A. Lacked a classic scene like the intro to Star Trek '09, otherwise would've gotten that plus, alhough Pike dying came close to evoking that ultimate grade.
I thought it was dark but not as good as my fave first contact
Have to give it an F and rank it the worst Star Trek film. The dialogue of the protagonists was mediocre, the action boring and the plotting very convoluted and unbelieaveable.
He seemed overly cavalier about his decision compared to how others regarded the Prime Directive and it didn't make sense that Spock wouldn't have objected, let alone to the point of playing the major role, and then not try to defend the decision later.
There's a difference between reusing a story and thematic idea and blatantly trying to remake much of a story; I thought Enterprise "Terra Nova" and Nemesis were much too close to past works and thus some of my least favorite (although "Friendship One" was very recent and bad to begin with).
As for the Eve in underwear scene, it seemed pointless but worse because I didn't like Kirk ignoring her telling him to turn around; the original Kirk would never do that but it seemed, unfortunately, like only a small stretch for Abrams version.
Did you find it believable that Uhura would love Spock but be so unaccepting, almost not even understanding, about his reserved, logical nature or that Spock wouldn't alert Kirk about Carol's identity earlier (or that he would contact his alternate self from the bridge)?
Oh this is gonna be fun!
Don't worry, you are not the only one who feels that way about STID.
You think Spock would happily a planet full of innocents die? Spock didn't think Kirk would cover up the mission.
Take a look at the nasty red marks Shatner's Grabby Kirk left on Reyna's arms in "Requiem for Muthuselah" - Pine's Kirk would never do something like that.
She was bothered by his willingness to put himself in danger and his post-Vulcan lack of communication, not his Vulcan nature. As was explained on the ride to Kronos.
Yes and yes.
I'd rank it as one of the weakest but objectively speaking, I think Generations remains the worst.
STiD is absolutely nowhere even near the worst or one of the worst.
You pretty much just described every Trek film in a nutshell.
Kirk - and other captains - broke the prime directive so many times with little to no consequences on tv. So as a fan I had troubles reconciling that with him getting his ass handed to him by starfleet command in this movie.
Because Spock reported it to Admiral Pike, wheras it was always covered up in The Original Series. See Voyager's "Flashback" when Janeway talks about how vague some of the old Enterprise logs were.
I realize it's not meant to be taken too seriously, but that kind of interpretation makes Starfleet Command look like clueless idiots and the senior officers of the Enterprise look like renegade insubordinates.
That's pretty much how it's been all along. Take a look at the clueless overseers and commisioners that Kirk had to deal with on the original show. The Federation always wanted things done one (usually ridiculous) way, Kirk always knew better.
I thought the title "Into Darkness" was strange, because it really had nothing to do with the movie. It seems as though J.J. Abrams just chose it as a title because it was dramatic.
a Starfleet Admiral builds a Dreadnought in secret and has plans to START a Federation/Klingon war...
Yep, I don't know how "Into Darkness" relates to the story of the Federation official disavowing Federation principles to start a war.
Losing Pike (as a mentor / father-figure influence) in the way that he did, and coupled with Kirk's statement of "I have no idea what I'm supposed to do, only what I can do..." - against the backdrop of the off-the-grid/under-the-radar 'go after John Harrison' mission, prompted by Marcus - suggesting a mission outside of the realm of Starfleet and into something of an unknown terrorist threat (even before the USS Vengeance / Khan reveals) - the title of the movie makes perfect tonal sense, IMO.
It's also in keeping with almost all the other Trek movie titles ever used as well.
I thought it was supposed to be a play on "Heart of Darkness."
I mean, taken from Heart of Darkness's wiki page:
Pretty much sums up STiD.
Movie is up on Itunes for purchase.
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