STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. Rhaven

    Rhaven Captain Captain

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    I've waited to comment on the movie. I've read the various threads on here as well as other sites. I just can't get that worked up over some of the things others have. That's not to say valid points haven't been high-lighted.
    I went into the movie expecting to be entertained and I was. I enjoyed the nods to past Trek canon, as well as the way the actors have taken to their respective roles. All in all, I thought the latest Trek movie was an A effort.
     
  2. Belz...

    Belz... Commodore Commodore

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    And yet greatly superior. Rewatch The Cage and check out how the camera focuses on Pike's communicator at the beginning like it's some amazing piece of tech. Kinda funny now.
     
  3. Franklin

    Franklin Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    At least Marcus wasn't going around saying Klingons were trying to pollute our precious bodily fluids.

    I didn't have a problem with Marcus, either, even though he was over the top, son. In reality, Marcus struck me as grossly exaggerated and totally amoral versions of Curtis LeMay and Douglas MacArthur who somehow avoided any checks on his power or ambitions.

    After all:
    -- LeMay told anyone who would listen (even in public) that nuclear war with the Soviet Union was inevitable and major U.S. cities would be wiped out. In 1961 he told JFK he had a plan for a surprise attack on the USSR to beat them while the U.S. still held the nuclear advantage. Kennedy didn't even listen to the plan.
    -- In October 1962, when Kennedy said no to LeMay's plan to bomb the missile sites in Cuba and went with a blockade instead, Ted Sorenson said LeMay likened that to Chamberlain at Munich and said the American people would never go for it.
    --Think of how badly MacArthur wanted to escalate the Korean War to use it as an excuse to invade China.

    So, is it that much of a stretch to create a grossly audacious character with an itch for war with the Klingons that has to be scratched?
     
  4. KittyDuran

    KittyDuran Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    IIRC there is an interview with Peter Weller where he mentions LeMay in respect to his character.
     
  5. AnnLouise

    AnnLouise Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I agree! :techman: Since I live in a state with the unofficial state song "In Heaven There Is No Beer",I also think any movie is better with beer -or set in a brewery!
    Image the magnificence of F&F 6 - set in the MillerCoors plant, or Iron Man at the old Blatz factory!
     
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  6. Kruezerman

    Kruezerman Commodore Commodore

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    She was built in the atmosphere. I kinda hope she can maneuver there.
    Just like TWOK right?
    Cause you can totally invade a planet by beaming five people at a time.
    And Kirk has blue eyes and McCoy is Australian. New actors.
    He was only mostly dead. ;)
    Nah, we're good.
     
  7. Mach5

    Mach5 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    +1
     
  8. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Yep.
     
  9. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

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    Karl Urban is from New Zealand. :techman:
     
  10. Set Harth

    Set Harth Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Nero was the one going around destroying planets. That's the genocide you're looking for. You seem intent on widening the definition of genocide to include the one who stops the genocide from continuing, but that's blatant nonsense.

    Not a fan of TOS, I take it. Or is that what we call the "just because TOS did it doesn't make it okay" fallacy?

    Supposedly, it will be explained in the comics. It isn't explained by the alternate universe because Khan is originally from long before 2233.
     
  11. Dick_Valentine

    Dick_Valentine Commander Red Shirt

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    Loved the film until the Kahn reveal.
    It spoiled it for me, he was blatantly no-where NEAR Mexican enough.
    :rommie:

    Heh I just realised this film now fits in with the "all admirals are evil" trope.

    I think in the entirety of Trek there's only Admiral Ross from DS9 and Pike from the first film that don't completely go xenophobic or downright evil the second they get promoted from Captain.

    Oh, and Kirk, but the jury's still out on that one :D
     
  12. indranee

    indranee Vice Admiral Admiral

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    You're not getting it. Engineering WAS filmed at NIF.

    Whether or not there were one or two scenes that showed the brewery as well is an insignificant factoid.

    The enduring LOOK of engineering in THIS movie is derived from the shoot at NIF.

    That's it. I'm gonna let it go at that. I've had long experience at semantics on this board and I can see this discussion going that route. So I'll let you have the last word on this (if you want).
     
  13. donners22

    donners22 Commodore Commodore

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    Hardly a fallacy. TOS was a product of its era, which was nearly 50 years ago. Society has changed drastically since then, and things which were acceptable then are far less so now.

    Whether this film goes too far is a matter of personal opinion, but I read several mainstream reviews which criticised this aspect.
     
  14. Belz...

    Belz... Commodore Commodore

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    I'm not looking to have the last word, here. I'm trying to surmise if you are taking "engineering" to mean "just the place with the warp core". If so, then you are of course correct. I always understood "engineering" to be broader than just one room (see TNG for what I mean by one room.)
     
  15. Shaka Zulu

    Shaka Zulu Commodore Commodore

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    Ever though of sticking to the previous TV shows, movies and fans shows and NOT watch the new ones?
     
  16. Set Harth

    Set Harth Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Who cares?

    I'll take a STID which is consistent with TOS on this issue over a STID which conforms to modern political correctness in a bid for "acceptance".
     
  17. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    There's really no virtue to being consistent with something that espouses outdated and unfair values. None at all.
     
  18. spsblue

    spsblue Cadet Newbie

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    Just about recovered from an hour or so panic attack induced by watching STiD, and the shear wrongness of the casting.....

    Still too angry and stressed to post coherently at this point.
     
  19. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    This is self-evident.
     
  20. Kruezerman

    Kruezerman Commodore Commodore

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    Oops.:alienblush:
    Keith Urban's Australian right?
    Then why post at all?