STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. Flying Spaghetti Monster

    Flying Spaghetti Monster Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I don't know.. people enjoyed the Dark Knight, and that film really allowed us to see all sides nearly with equal time.
     
  2. TommyW

    TommyW Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Yeah, Bruce Greenwood was great. It's a shame they didn't give him a better death. I wish they'd kept him alive longer and had him going into the radioactive chamber instead. At least then they'd have had a meaningful emotional sequence between him and Kirk or something. Kirk going in there meant nothing because everyone and his dog knew he was gonna be fine
     
  3. Coloratura

    Coloratura Snuggle Princess Premium Member

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    Star Trek is a bit more fast paced than the Dark Knight, and the lines a little less blurred. Batman's world is very shades of gray, and TDK is built up that way, as is BB.

    Star Trek? Not so much.
     
  4. BillJ

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    I'm not really a fanwank kind of guy, but I really wish they'd have figured out how to work in the "never lose you" line from The Naked Time when Kirk was saving the Enterprise.
     
  5. siskokid888

    siskokid888 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    One more thing - mega-props to JJ and company for the shout out to DS9 by the mention of Section 31. That sent my fanboy heart all atwitter! :lol:
     
  6. Zeppster

    Zeppster Commodore Commodore

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    I didn't see a left wing message. I saw a anti war message a little bit. As many progressives in history have proved over and over again that is not an anti war message. Progressivism is built on a pro war message.

    Definitely a fun film. Much better than the first. There are problems with it. But the villains are much better and well set up for the first 2 hours. The last part was just a 30-40 minute quick reverse/rehash of TWOK. Which isn't bad but it wasn't set up as well as the Marcus/Starfleet vs Enterprise crew plot.
     
  7. Franklin

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    "Never lose you, again," considering command had been taken away from him once at the start of the movie. ;)

    I don't think this Kirk is shaping up to be as lonely as Kirk Prime. At least not for now. The poignancy of that line in "The Naked Time" was the Enterprise was Kirk's life. The "family" idea of the big seven was never in TOS. The crew had aged about another 15 years before that idea took root in TSFS and culminated when Spock told Sarek, "They are my friends" in TVH.

    When Kirk said, "Welcome to the family" to Carol at the end of STID, that was really the only time I kind of cringed. There's definitely a social vibe on that ship that didn't exist on Kirk Prime's Enterprise. Not that it's bad. It's just different. This Kirk may actually turn out to be more emotionally balanced than Kirk Prime was.
     
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  8. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    The relationships of characters on the ships in Star Trek morph with generational attitudes to a great extent. TOS was made during a time when most Americans were somewhat personally familiar with the structure and culture of the military, due to a couple of generations of an armed forces based on conscription. That was less true for TNG, where characters behaved toward one another much more as if in a civilian workplace, and the same is true for the present day TOS-based reboot.
     
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  9. Belz...

    Belz... Commodore Commodore

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    The first season of TNG is particularily annoying about this. People on the bridge regularily engage with whomever is on the viewscreen without the Captain's permission. Not sure that would fly in real life. :P
     
  10. Franklin

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    Good points. I'm cool with it as long as Kirk and company don't start sitting around conference tables "valuing" everyone's opinion before acting.

    It just occurred to me, too. There's Spock and Uhura. A hint of a future for Kirk and Marcus. Hey, they gotta get McCoy a woman. :)

    If we wanted to have the lonely, slightly emotionally bitter Kirk, bound and wed only to his Enterprise, then Marcus would be his Rand. Don't see that happening, though. This Enterprise has the potential to be either the Love Boat, or it recreates the Picard-Crusher (Kirk-Marcus), Riker-Troi (Spock-Uhura) relationships.
     
  11. BillJ

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    Or Marcus gets assimilated by the Borg in the next movie. Moving Kirk towards the character we know him to be in TOS. :techman:
     
  12. Franklin

    Franklin Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Or the Klingons off her, and he yells, "You Klingon bastard! You've killed my woman!"
     
  13. Zeppster

    Zeppster Commodore Commodore

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    I think it's pretty well set up to be Klingons as the main baddie in the next one.
     
  14. indranee

    indranee Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I did. It doesn't matter what was done "in addition". Main engineering was no longer a 'brewery'.

    This is nitpicking to an extreme, IMO.
     
  15. indranee

    indranee Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Yes, but it was still not only cheesy but badly done. ZQ just doesn't have what the Shatman did in that one instance.
     
  16. Set Harth

    Set Harth Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Khan assimilated by the Borg would be the logical choice.

    Resistance isn't just futile... it's insane.
     
  17. Belz...

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    I don't see it as nitpicking. It's a statement of fact. They did film there and you can clearly see that location in the film. Yes, the warp core is a different place but it's still there.
     
  18. TommyW

    TommyW Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I'd have agreed with you if they hadn't been made to look like a big bunch of girls by 1 chap
     
  19. Zeppster

    Zeppster Commodore Commodore

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    The genetically engineered guy that was supposed to be the bad guy in this film.
     
  20. TommyW

    TommyW Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Indeed. But filmmakers usually want to ramp up the threat film by film. If they go with Klingons in this one people will be going "well, this should be easy - they dealt with the last chap ok and he handed the Klingons their arses to them on a plate!!"

    I reckon they'll go with the Borg