STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. 1001001

    1001001 I Like the Beats and Shouting Moderator

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    We finally got to see it today, in Glorious Imax 3D.

    I'm sure there's nothing original I can add after 100 pages of posts....

    :lol:

    We all enjoyed it very much. My wife and I took our 10 year old son to see it, and he said it was "great."

    Benedict Cumberpatch (what a moniker to be saddled with!) is mesmerizing. I couldn't take my eyes off him. His voice is really a great acting tool.

    I was already spoiled to who he was, and I guess that part was fine. Joining him to Section 31 was an interesting choice. I've always liked Peter Weller.

    The action and FX were out of this world. Lots of eye candy.

    Good humor. Nice development in the relationships. Not sure I liked the switch between Kirk and Spock at the end.

    Anyway, overall a fun rollercoaster ride, much like ST09. Not a lot of deep meaning to take from it, but then again, a superior summer popcorn film.

    Now I hope the next one is a completely original story.

    B+
     
  2. Belz...

    Belz... Commodore Commodore

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    But... but.. it's the PRIME directive, Buzz !
     
  3. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Okay, let the Prime Universe keep it. :lol:
     
  4. Belz...

    Belz... Commodore Commodore

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    Tough luck. It's in the new one, too !
     
  5. AnnLouise

    AnnLouise Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    :guffaw:That should've been Kirk's reply to Pike's "what have you learned from this?"
     
  6. KittyDuran

    KittyDuran Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Well I saw it three more times this holiday weekend. Once in IMAX (a different IMAX and it was really LOUD) and twice in 2D. IMAX viewing was a little under half full and the 2D was nearly sold out both times. It's doing well and considering what the haul F&F6 took in, the numbers for STiD are impressive.
     
  7. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Only as a rule for Kirk to break, as it should be. :p
     
  8. Belz...

    Belz... Commodore Commodore

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    Pfft... Kirk scoffs at your "rules". Rules can't stop AWESOME !
     
  9. DarthPipes

    DarthPipes Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I saw it today in front of a full house and still loved it. Though I still found the left-wing messages to be ridiculous. Also, I wish they would have let the Enterprise fire off one shot.

    I'm still going to miss Pike. Bruce Greenwood really acted the hell out of that character.
     
  10. BillJ

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    Not sure how the messages in this movie are "left-wing"? Is providing someone a fair trial really a "left-wing" concept?
     
  11. Coloratura

    Coloratura Snuggle Princess Premium Member

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    What left wing messages? The only messages I found in the movie were "striking without being certain of your target is bad," "don't underestimate a criminal mind," "every criminal deserves a fair trial," "revenge is not a valid justification to kill," "instigating a war with another race under false pretenses is wrong," and "indiscriminately killing people in peacetime is a no-no."

    Those aren't "left wing," those are sane.
     
  12. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Sadly, it appears to be - unless, of course, one is using criticism of drone strikes to attack the current Administration, in which case it's apparently just basic fairness. :lol:

    If you don't like liberal and progressive ideas, it's best not to watch any version of Star Trek sober.
     
  13. Belz...

    Belz... Commodore Commodore

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    I think that's actually very moderate, myself. And do we really need to bring politics into this ?
     
  14. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    It is part of the movie. So it will cause some political side-discussions.
     
  15. 1001001

    1001001 I Like the Beats and Shouting Moderator

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    We saw a 1:30 Imax show today, and the theater was full.

    At $17.00 a ticket, that's pretty good.
     
  16. T'Bonz

    T'Bonz Romulan Curmudgeon Administrator

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    No kidding! :D
     
  17. Shaka Zulu

    Shaka Zulu Commodore Commodore

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    This is the dilemma at the heart of the prequel comic book Countdown Into Darkness.
     
  18. Tommunist

    Tommunist Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Stimpy: So, uh...let's scout around.
    Ren: You fool! We can't just wander around like eediots! We'd better see what the prime directive says about alien worlds.
    Stimpy: (flips through the space cadet handbook) The prime directive! It says to 'scout around.'
    Ren: Great! Let's go.
     
  19. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    One thing I would have done with this film is to leave the story basically as it is, but do something that Nolan did in the Dark Knight, and that is to give nearly equal time to the various philosophies, so that we can see them all at play and decide for ourselves.

    Int the Dark Knight, there is almost equal time getting us to understand the different philosophies of the characters and where thy stand on the morality scale.. and I'm talking about Batman/Bruce Wayne, Joker, Dent, Gordon. Each of these characters is given a moment in which their ideologies are placed at the forefront. They are each given equal footing.

    In STiD, Section 31 is a very important element to the story, an yet for some reason, they are almost a passing reference tossed aside. Why not give the viewer some insight as to what they are about, a little more detail about how they have and can continue to protect the Federation. We might not ultimately agree with their vision for a more militarized Starfleet, but that doesn't mean that the writers can't make a good case for it. We don't agree with the Joker, necessarily, but his ideas feel ultimately convincing, or, close to it. that's why he's such a good adversary. I think Section 31's role could have been fleshed out and defended, and so could all of the other viewpoints.

    Even with all the plotholes that would still remain, it would make this story one that peopel will remember fondly.

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  20. Coloratura

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    People are already remembering it fondly. Adding in extra dialogue to create some quasi-conflicted viewpoint turnaround would slow things down and drag them out pointlessly. How it is now works out just fine.