STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. mattman8907

    mattman8907 Captain Captain

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    i always like the prologues because you had a Kirk involved in the event.
     
  2. throwback

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    The Classic Trek establishes that a captain does have discretionary powers with the Prime Directive. Captain Kirk took a liberal view of the PD, and he was recognized by later historians for the saving of at least two civilizations from destruction. Captain Picard took a more conservative view of the PD, and he was content to let a civilization die.

    I think focusing on the PD as one of the reasons for Captain Kirk's demotion was a misreading of the complexities of the PD by the writers. I think sometimes these writers live in a world of extremes, it has to be one way or another.

    (On a side note, I didn't find the civilization on Nibiru convincing. Ancient civilizations built their cities around temples. A lone temple, it didn't read "real" to me.)
     
  3. Belz...

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    Actually it was filmed there _in addition_ to the brewery. Watch closely.

    No. The term "fanboy" refers to someone who is seen as obsessed or at least unealthily concerned with their favourite franchise or passtime. Fan is just someone who enjoys said passtime and is interested in knowing about it.

    You just made that up. Source for that statistics, please.
     
  4. throwback

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    Belz...

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/19/entertainment-us-boxoffice-idUSBRE94I09K20130519

    Paramount was hoping that this film would be like STIV, which attracted the general audience. From what I am reading, it is the fans who are seeing this film multiple times. Paramount was, also, hoping to get the coveted 18-to-25 year olds to see this film, but it is the older crowd who are watching the film.

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3686&p=.htm

    Having Alice Eve in her two-piece was acknowledged earlier this year as a ploy to get these younger males into seats.

    I have done research on the terms fanboy and fangirl. I was wrong in what I said. However, the impression I get from research is that these are the people who will enthusiastically support a product, even when it's flawed. They are not the sort of people who would openly criticize a flawed product. In fact, fanboys and fangirls would attack these people for disagreeing with them. This is based on a cursory reading of the definitions supplied for this word at Urban Dictionary. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboy)

    PC Magazine defines fanboy as,

    (http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/58308/fanboy)

    I may get things wrong, but generally I make it a habit to research what I write so that I speak not out of ignorance.
     
  5. Locutus of Bored

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    If the majority of people who saw the film were longtime Star Trek fans, the movie would have been the biggest box office bomb of the year. There simply aren't enough people to keep the film franchise viable with only the longtime fans going to see it. Even Nemesis with its poor showing relied on a hell of a lot more than just fans seeing it.

    Plus, that article is discussing the projected turnout in the first weekend before the weekend was even out. Of course there's going to be a higher turnout of fans in the premiere weekend.
     
  6. teacake

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    It will end up a fantastical myth like all the fantastical myths we happily include in our history. I can't see it having lasting impact. Those that saw it will die off, the story will become hazier and more fantastical and eventually the civilization will develop to the point where most think the story is fiction dreamed up by some primitive who ate too many magic yellow mushrooms.
     
  7. King Daniel Beyond

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    That's what i thought on my first viewing - but on my second I saw that although the Enterprise was damaged and helpless, it was Khan's attack after beaming Kirk, Scotty and Carol back which damaged the warp core and sent the Enterprise falling to Earth.
     
  8. gornsky

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    Yes, I notice that every time. It's weird!
     
  9. Belz...

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    Assuming this is correct, that's a LOT of fans. Second, that's very bad for the franchise.
     
  10. AnnLouise

    AnnLouise Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    For the purposes of the movie, I think it worked. The first thing that came to mind for me, with that overhead shot, was "Mexico City" - i.e. a giant structure built in the middle of a lake. But I've only seen STID once, so I could be wrong.:)
     
  11. Ovation

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    It's just another nod to TOS. In Gamesters of Triskellion, Kirk mangles Uhura's name (see, there's a minutiae-laden Trekkie in each of us :lol:).
     
  12. King Daniel Beyond

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    And at the end of Wrath of Khan, Kirk shouts, "Go Zulu!" as they warp away from the exploding Genesis device. That annoys me every. Single. Time.
     
  13. Belz...

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    Nah, you're just mishearing. He says Sulu ! Right ? Right ?
     
  14. Admiral Buzzkill

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    There aren't enough Trek fans in North America to open a movie at better than about a thirty million dollar weekend. Most folks who saw it last week weren't trekkies.
     
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  15. AnnLouise

    AnnLouise Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    We saw it at an 11:50 matinee. Just as Spock asks Carol Marcus "what are you doing here?" the power for the entire theater cut out. In the while-the-time-away discussions, I heard a younger-than-me group talking about the various Trek tv shows. Most memorable line overheard? "I can't watch the original show - it's too cheesy." (Second most memorable? An older guy telling his female companion "See, they have Section 31 and so do we!")

    My husband and I are not the target demographic for this series now - it's the guy who doesn't think he'd watch TOS due to it's cheese quotient.

    (After about 15 minutes of waiting, the entire multiplex was herded out and given passes. We drove to Waukesha and it took us until 4 p.m. to finish, but we did manage to see the whole movie.)
     
  16. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Yeah, you've got to figure that most fans account for more than one ticket sold. I've gone to three showings with six people, and you could only call three of them other than me "fans."
     
  17. RAMA

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    Interestingly, along with high critical ratings and fan ratings in general, the site known for STID "bashing" rates an 8.3 from audiences, and ST09 is rated an 8.1.
     
  18. Odona Kirk

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    I went to see STID with my best friend at Saturday's 1:10 pm showing in Jasper, AL, and, including myself and my friend, there were exactly six people in the theater. For the sake of the prestige of the Star Trek brand, I was hoping the film would do better than this. :(
     
  19. Admiral Buzzkill

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  20. BeatleJWOL

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    That 1-pm-on-Saturday Jasper, AL constituency is harsh, man.