STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. Dantrek

    Dantrek Ensign Red Shirt

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    It was a good movie for what it was. It was definitely not the best Trek. It was too chessy when Spock yells out "Khan!!" I don't why he was, it was Admiral Marcus who crippled the ship and caused the power loss. Khan had just taken control of the Vengeance. I just cant get used to that Beer factory engineering section. There is too much going on with it for a future space ship. Maybe theyre a starship/micro brewery.
     
  2. trevanian

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    If you've got the glass ball that lets you see they don't turn into a world full of Reavers or Breen or Imperial space nazis, that can justify intervention, assuming you are willing to play God with history. But revealing the giant metal bird to them at an impressionable time is monstrous.

    Kirk might be condemning them to millions of years of religious strife, and I don't know that is better than letting life evolve anew there after the volcano plays out (assuming it really killed everyone, which sounds a little O-T-T ... is the volcano going to cause non-nuclear winter for the whole world?)

    EDIT ADDON: I should acknowledge that I personally find TREK's prime directive ridiculous, utterly unenforceable with respect to outsiders (what good does it do if Starfleet can't interfere, when other humans and any other race can trot in and interfere with any of these worlds? None at all. And if Starfleet actually cordons off these systems, then that is a full-time operation with everything they have, just to keep these natives from getting poached by Ferengi.)

    The real bullshit aspect to it is the cavalier way THIS Kirk dismisses it, like don't worry about it. So this is the GENIUS Kirk talks about in the first one? And yet he doesn't understand the potential consequences and certainly doesn't appear that he is going to be haunted by them either? If Kirk is all that intelligent in this timeline, then you shouldn't be playing him for a dummy.
     
  3. trevanian

    trevanian Rear Admiral

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    In 2000 the published told me he intended to close up shop by 2005, but I guess there is just way too much in ad revenues for them to give up.

    After a long stretch of abstaining, I finally broke down and picked up a few used copies in the last couple of years and wasn't terribly impressed. There isn't enough traditional effects work to justify making-of pictures in most cases and they still don't go all nuts&bolts on how to do CG, so it seems to be lists of 'we used ___ to render.' That's only based on a few issues though.

    Pretty far cry from the genuinely interesting coverage of THE RIGHT STUFF and ALTERED STATES, which seemed to inform as much about creative points of view as about tech stuff.
     
  4. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    That's impossible to predict. The important thing is that they are alive. They are an intelligent species - I see no reason not to trust them to work things out eventually.

    One question, though: At one point, Kirk and McCoy are running from the aliens and Kirk suddenly slaps a tapestry with alien-looking writing on it, on a tree. Why does he do this? To slow the aliens down? :confused:
     
  5. BillJ

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    According to the novel it was a religious scroll Kirk stole from a temple near the base of the volcano. He used it to lure them away from their village which was getting pulverized by volcanic debris.
     
  6. Shaka Zulu

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    It's pretty obvious (to me anyway) that Khan was given plastic surgery, since he's still a wanted war criminal in the 23rd century and his face is most likely very recognizable from historical texts.:vulcan:

    Oh please. This movie isn't any different than the last twelve ones, or the various series itself! Here's a reminder:

     
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  7. Flake

    Flake Commodore Commodore

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    There is lots of pew pew in Star Trek, certainly on a par with that other Star thing.

    They only don't pew pew in the TV show when they can't afford it ;)

    pew pew sells
     
  8. Shaka Zulu

    Shaka Zulu Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    This article at Trekmovie says that the females weren't served well by the movie:

    Sexy or Sexist? How Star Trek Into Darkness turned Heroines into Damsels in Distress
     
  9. Ancient Mariner

    Ancient Mariner Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Except, of course, in this film, the Enterprise doesn't pew pew. Not even once. Its crew pew pews only four times: at Starfleet command after being ambushed; on Kronos; to stun baddies and Khan on the Vengeance; and to stun Khan in San Fran.

    So while the Enterprise does get pummeled for a bit ... this is hardly a shoot-em-up flick.
     
  10. elric428

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  11. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Neither Kirk nor Spock had any idea who Khan was in "Space Seed," either - it most of the first half of the episode for them to arrive at that tentatively and then try to draw him out in conversation.
     
  12. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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  13. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    There's nothing interesting about that kind of fanboy ranting, sorry. Since reviews are running about nine to one positive for this flick, whatever little damage a bad fan review might do to some hypothetical movie is completely meaningless here.
     
  14. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

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    Sure do!
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    Something I've noticed the four screenings I've seen: Kirk stumbles over Carol's surname in the last scene, calling her "Dr Marius". Makes me wonder if it was just Chris Pine slurring, or if the script actually indicated that Carol was again avoiding the Marcus name, being tainted as it is now.

    The novelization says "Marcus" in the passage.
     
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  15. indranee

    indranee Vice Admiral Admiral

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    But even if the Wars did happen, Khan and his cryogenic "army" wasn't an open secret or anything. The only reason the Prime Universe/Timeline got to know about Khan was because the Enterprise encountered them.
     
  16. indranee

    indranee Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Did you SEE STID?

    STID engineering was not filmed at the "brewery". It was filmed at NIF.

    https://www.llnl.gov/news/newsreleases/2013/May/NR-13-05-05.html
     
  17. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

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    But the area where Uhura worked in the first movie, before her promotion to the bridge, did appear again in STiD. ie, filmed at the brewery.
     
  18. teacake

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    Today when I watched the movie for the fifth time I noticed that McCoy manages to get those 72 cryo tubes out of the torpedoes in about 5 minutes. Spock did order all the medical and engineering staff to the bay though so maybe there are soooo many of them they just did one tube each with people shouting instructions.
     
  19. throwback

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    If you are a fan of Star Trek, then automatically you are a fanboy and a fangirl. This name calling doesn't help anyone.

    Considering that the majority of people who have seen the film are Star Trek fans, I think it's important to consider that, if the franchise is to grow, that it will need them. I agree that some fans are overly critical of the film. However, some fans have raised legitimate concerns. I would think it would be wise for those who make the next film to consider some of these concerns, not all, and address them for the next film.

    Legitimate concerns - This film is repeating what has happen before in the last film, and is having a villain that seeks revenge for a wrong committed against him. We had Shinzon, Nero, and Khan. We have seen the same story arc for Kirk twice. Do something new.

    Illegitimate concerns - The escape pods from the last movie are forgotten. Now the crew has to escape by means of evac shuttles.

    I have seen gushing reviews for products that are seriously flawed in video games. Skyrim was a beta test product that was released to the general public and required many patches for it to work decently, yet it won Game of the Year accolades. Mass Effect 3 was a game that alienated some of the fan base with its contrived and non-nonsensical ending, yet it was rated very highly. My point is, reviews by professional reviewers should be viewed skeptically. My point is, if someone is gushing about a film, taking that opinion of it to an extreme - this is the greatest thing since sliced bread territory, that person should be viewed skeptically. Everything is flawed, even the great works of Homer and Shakespeare are flawed.

    I think if we examine the flaws, raise legitimate concerns, and, the people who are in charge, actually pay attention to those concerns and address them, that the process works. I think sometimes that the people in charge sometimes dismiss those who support their product and I think this goes to their detriment.

    I would like to see in the next film a new story arc for Kirk. I would like to see in the next film a villain with a different motivation.
     
  20. Belz...

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    I disagree. You agree that the Prime Directive is ridiculous. I say, not because it's unenforceable, but because it's a silly principle. What does "destiny" mean anyway ? I agree you shouldn't make contact with non-warp-capable planets, but between letting all life on a world die, I think that was a minor offense. Calling it "monstrous" is a bloated hyperbole, at best.

    Would you have let them die ? Not me.
     

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