STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. donners22

    donners22 Commodore Commodore

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    I saw the film again today. My only real gripe with the film the first time around was Kirk's death scene aping WoK, and while I still don't think it was a good idea, it wasn't quite so distracting. Knowing what was coming, I didn't have the thought process of "Surely they won't do this...oh no, they can't be doing this..." taking me out of the film completely.

    Decent turnout for a film in its 3rd week of screening too.
     
  2. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

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    I'm being approached by friends who know I'm a diehard fan, and they want to tell me their thoughts on STiD. They've only seen ST (2009) and now STiD, had scant knowledge of who Khan was, but still loved the new movie! Had they been confused, I'd agree with your assertion. But they had no questions about Khan or his motivations.
     
  3. Phily B

    Phily B Commodore Commodore

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    To fully appreciate the movie, you did need knowledge of the franchise. The keyword is fully, every person I've seen it with had either a passing knowledge of no knowledge but still greatly enjoyed it. However if you knew who S31 was, knew who Khan was, knew the show in general it is going to be more enjoyable. Nothing wrong with that, I know Batman fans who enjoyed Begins far more than me as they had read the comics.
     
  4. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

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    Isn't that a given? Isn't that what we want? New fans keen to learn what they'd missed?

    I spent years tracking down all the TOS and TAS episodes, plus comics and novels after becoming a Trek fan because of TMP.
     
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  5. Enterprise is Great

    Enterprise is Great Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    They're way better in 3D! Actually I didn't really notice them all that much in the movie.
     
  6. Phily B

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    Both Abrams movies hit the right balance, you don't need to but if you do then you get a lot more out of it. Honestly, this movie had everything I could possibly want from a Trek movie.
     
  7. donners22

    donners22 Commodore Commodore

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    I got into Star Trek by reading Peter David's epic novel Q-Squared.

    I didn't pick up a quarter of the references when I first read it, but it made me track down episodes featuring Q, Guinan and Trelane.

    From there, I not only appreciated the book a great deal more, but I was also drawn into Star Trek as a whole.

    One can only hope that some out there have a similar reaction to this film.
     
  8. Phily B

    Phily B Commodore Commodore

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    I also like the idea of a new generation of people discovering Trek, which is why I want to see these movies keep going.
     
  9. Belz...

    Belz... Commodore Commodore

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    Are you joking ? We've already corrected this.

    Still joking, right ?

    3D, however, I despise.
     
  10. beamMe

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    No.

    I'm humming "Enterprising Young Men" right now.

    As opposed to what? A house in the English countryside?

    It wasn't.

    Utter nonsense.

    I don't like the new warp-jump-effect in STID.
    You can't like everything.
     
  11. teacake

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    When I saw 2009 I remember thinking, "wow, JJ really rewards long term fans as well as delivering a kick ass movie for total Trek newbs." I felt catered to, but not at the expense of the wider audience who were seeing the film without all that history.
     
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  12. Belz...

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    ^^^ This.
     
  13. Tommunist

    Tommunist Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Personal experiences may vary! Discussions I've had with the casual fans didn't really know the weight of the revelation of Khan (of course, some just needed their memory jogged!) I feel that the Spock cameo actually served that purpose: to let them know: "Hey, this guy will kill you all to advance his goals!"

    Also, some of the people I've talked to about it thought there was a possibility that Khan wouldn't necessarily turn "good" but wouldn't cross Kirk. These aren't dumb people, but it seems that those of us who have a more obsessive eye to our entertainment that they miss all the little "tells" in the story that would indicate Khan a true villain.

    Perception really is tricky, when I have to curb my tendency to say "How could you miss that?" when TV shows, books and movies give you the answers if you pay attention. Then I come here, and find that I miss things too: themes, ideas, concepts, and just as important, interpretations. Especially on the Literature forum here! I'm the biggest Trek expert I know in real life, but man... I get schooled here!! :)
     
  14. Belz...

    Belz... Commodore Commodore

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    I would've been pleasantly surprised if he didn't, and wasn't an actual villain in the movie. :)
     
  15. Ryan8bit

    Ryan8bit Commodore Commodore

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    Oh, I stand corrected.

    Well, that does sound kind of odd then. But a 40 minute review is probably not much different than say, a 240+ page review thread about the movie. I'm sure all the same points are covered.
     
  16. hiddenderek

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    I am actually getting very annoyed at people constantly saying that the Kirk/spock warp core scene was a ripoff. Sure, if you look at the scene without thinking about it at all then it could be. But if you actually look at the plot of the movie and why they even put the scene in there in the first place you might begin to realize that MAYBE its not just a ripoff.

    The engine seen wasn't just a complete copy of Wrath of Khan. That's just nitpicking, angry fans. It was detrimental to the plot of the movie. Kirk sacrificing his life for his crew basically mirrored how his dad sacrificed his life for his crew. Because of this, Kirk finally lived up to Pike's dare that he could do better than his dad (hence the sound byte played when he wakes up). This wraps up Pike's character arc of "parenting" Kirk and also sets up kirk's character as finally a decent captain that achieved greatness.

    Also, the reason spock got so angry was because after Kirk died he finally realized what it was like to have a friend and what he had just lost. Spock also learned why Kirk did what he did in the opening scene, and why emotions are so important. Both Kirk and Spock learned something from this scene. That scene was a HUGE amount of character development. Sure, it was also a blatant copy of Wrath of Khan when it comes to cinematography, but why does that matter when it has completely different character developments and motivations associated with it? Three character arcs are wrapped up in one scene that also happens to be a big reference to wrath of Khan. Why does that take away from the movie?
     
  17. Locutus of Bored

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    Obviously not that much, because you still stuck to your guns on not only the subjective things (which is fine), but also on the things which were just plain factually inaccurate.

    You know I was kind of agreeing with you there a little bit, right? Not that the colors are unnatural so much as the orange and teal tints are overused and over-emphasized in big budget films to make skin tones pop out on the screen.

    The way it was used was not to be used at all. He never once said "I'm a doctor not an Engineer," much less three times. He said "Damn it, man, I'm a doctor, not a torpedo technician!" once, and never used the "I'm a doctor, not a _______" catch phrase again in the film.
    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/I'm_a_doctor,_not_a...

    It sort of undercuts your point when you keep insisting that something happened when it didn't.

    Too drastically changed from what? This is a new universe with new technology, including things that are more advanced then the technology of the same era in the Prime Trek Universe. It's fine to not like the effect, but you're basing the criticism on an erroneous assumption that this transporter effect's appearance should flow directly from the appearance of the transporter in an entirely different universe.
     
  18. Belz...

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    And each show and movie had a different transporter effect, basically.
     
  19. Captain Dago

    Captain Dago Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    :vulcan: Not an original idea in the whole damn thing. Lots of plot holes and failures to bring true character development. Cool effects, though. A "gentleman's" C-, at best.
     
  20. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

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    How is that a bad thing? Even I spent numerous moments during my first viewing trying to decide if Harrison was going to help Kirk, hinder Kirk or pretend to help him.

    I wouldn't have picked one of the villains in ST VI either, thanks to "Cinefantastique" magazine putting a big spoiler in a caption to a photo before I got to a sneak preview of the movie.
     

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