STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I see a film that deals with the themes of loyalty, responsibility, friendship and open-mindedness. If that's not Star Trek, I don't know what is...
     
  2. Admiral Buzzkill

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    What's remarkable is that no one gives a fuck now about either A Very Brady Christmas or The Search For Spock.
     
  3. BillJ

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    Is that really remarkable? :lol:
     
  4. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Considering that neither were good or memorable, no.

    I suppose some folks wet themselves over the ILM models.
     
  5. trevanian

    trevanian Rear Admiral

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    It used to be said that those who fail to learn from past events are condemned to repeat them. Now it seems that those who remember the past too well feel compelled to revisit it, regardless of context or how inappropriate the intended homage plays.

    Which probably explain why a few posts on trekmovie and here are already pointing to SFS as a riff point for some of Abrams' '15/'16.
     
  6. Belz...

    Belz... Commodore Commodore

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    Well, I liked it.


    ... the Trek movie, not the other one ! ;)
     
  7. Admiral Buzzkill

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    It may have the weakest plotting of any Trek movie, and that's saying a lot.
     
  8. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I still love it, has some of the best character moments of the TOS movie run. But I understand why modern audiences don't care about a thirty-year old Trek movie.
     
  9. indranee

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    ^Are you talking about TSFS? If so, I agree re the best character moments. However, the last 1/4 hour was THE most boring few minutes in a Trek movie since TMP's last 1/2 hour.
     
  10. Belz...

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    That's a far weaker claim than "no one [cares] now about [...] The Search for Spock".
     
  11. BillJ

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    Yup.

    I also agree that once they leave Genesis, it's Snoozeville. :lol:
     
  12. trevanian

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    Part of me thinks it is snoozeville once they get out of spacedock.

    But another part agrees with you, if you'll push your assessment back 2 minutes to include McCoy's monologue to Spock, which feels like De's best moment since THE EMPATH and BREAD & CIRCUSES.
     
  13. BillJ

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    Kelley's scene there is good. I think they might've needed to reorder the scenes somewhere (I don't know how) to maybe make the tempo of the last fifteen or so minutes seem a little more upbeat.
     
  14. trevanian

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    Telling the movie as a voiceover flashback comes to mind; would let you drop whatever you felt obliged to keep only for continuity.

    Start the movie in darkness (no pun intended) with Kirk saying 'If I hadn't tried, the cost would have been my soul.' Makes everyone off-balance, thinking, is this going to NOT work out at the end?
     
  15. BillJ

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    Maybe. But I loathe flashbacks as a storytelling method. :lol:
     
  16. Ryan8bit

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    Considering Abrams and Lindelof, I'm surprised there aren't more flashbacks.
     
  17. Admiral Buzzkill

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    The plot of TSFS hinges not on one or two moments when someone acts unaccountably dullwitted for a moment - nothing significant in the movie can move forward as it does except for the fact that every character other than the continuing cast of Star Trek (counting Sarek, I suppose) - behaves stupidly at just about every turn. The movie is a nearly flawless example of an Idiot Plot turned on its head - the heroes succeed at the end only because their competition and antagonists are too foolish to see and do the obvious.
     
  18. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Agreed.

    Yet I still love the movie. :techman:
     
  19. sj4iy

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    Nice to know I wasn't the only one thinking that. God, that movie was awful.
     
  20. Admiral Buzzkill

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    I still enjoy it some. That doesn't make it great.