STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. CaptainStoner

    CaptainStoner Knuckle-dragging TNZ Denizen Admiral

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    I don't think it did explain the medical science. It was just McCoy at a workbench in the middle of sickbay. Any explanation would have been technobabble anyway. But it worked for me. McCoy was able to throw the super-regenerative switch somehow by using a sample of Khan's blood.

    An annoying fan's scoffing affected some of my experience, such as with Quinto screaming KHAAAAnnnnn...honestly the worst part of the last two films was the geek with a bug up their ass two seats to my left each time.....I thought the line was delivered all right though....there's no topping Shatner in this regard, but it was delivered well, and Spock vs. Khan was awesome.
     
  2. flemm

    flemm Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Well, of course some of the people in the seats are already fans, and some are not. As a literal distinction, it exists.

    But that is not the point JarodRussell was making. What he's saying is that there is no easy way to distinguish between aspects of the film that connect with those two groups (or not). It's not "fans VS the general audience."

    A similar sort of comparison would be something like the Avengers. Was this movie made for (1) comic fans, (2) fans of the comics and the other Marvel movies, (3) fans of only the other movies, (4) people who had never seen any of the prior movies and never read a comic in their lives?

    Well, all of those groups, really. Doubtless that is part of its appeal.

    Edit: In passing, that's one reason why it's so appealing for Hollywood to constantly revamp or reboot existing properties. To varying degrees, a large chunk of the audience already recognizes it and understands, broadly speaking, what it is about.

    That's part of what makes the "general audiences vs. fans" idea a fallacy.

    Take James Bond, as a good example.
     
  3. OneBuckFilms

    OneBuckFilms Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Khan revealed in the Brig that he was attempting to smuggle them out in the torpedoes he designed, but was not able to follow through on the plan.

    This tells me Admiral Marcus was unaware the augments were on those Torpedoes.

    Khan surrendered when he realized his men were in those advanced torpedoes, and did not want his crew killed.

    He also correctly realized that Kirk likely came in person, even though the weapons would have been the easy way to kill him, and thus was someone of conscience he could manipulate into helping him.
     
  4. Belz...

    Belz... Commodore Commodore

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    I understand that. But the references to old Trek (and sometimes _really_ old Trek) and efforts to maintain continuity with it are probably not directed at the average moviegoer.
     
  5. flemm

    flemm Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Well, it's interesting because I guess the mixture of perspectives was one thing they were consciously playing around with by having the film intersect with TWoK at a key moment.

    For some people, it's completely new. For others, it might seem new at first, but their friend recognizes it, or whatever. For others there will be something like a faint sense of deja vu. Some might only become conscious of it when Spock screams.

    I don't know if I personally *like* it, but I can see why they thought it might be an interesting choice.
     
  6. ArcherFan501

    ArcherFan501 Ensign Newbie

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    I knew this site would have all the best and most interesting and provacative reviews on STID!

    Enjoyed reading them all -

    I personally loved the film, but I could see where some may not......
     
  7. Fruitcake

    Fruitcake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    So when Khan says in the trailers, "I will have.. my.. vengeance." He's talking about the ship, right?
     
  8. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Basically. All he did since getting out of the freezer was whining to Admiral Marcus. "I shall have my own Vengeance! Damnit!"


    The next film will be called: STAR TREK into THE VENGEANCE OF KHAN. A two hour tour of Khan's Vengeance.





    While we're at it. Where exactly did this film REALLY go "into darkness"? It's not darker than any of the previous Trek films.
     
  9. Belz...

    Belz... Commodore Commodore

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    Well it wasn't particularily darker than the previous movie, but it does hint at a possible war with the Klingons, and a dark presence within Starfleet (not sure if Section 31 was shut down or not.)
     
  10. DarKush

    DarKush Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Thanks. I was wondering if the novelization would have information not in the film. Sucks if that turns out to the best the case. This ship needs more of a permanent security chief, IMO, and I thought Hendorff fit the bill.
     
  11. Titus Andronicus

    Titus Andronicus Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    "And as you can see we have chairs made out of the finest CORINTHIAN LEATHER in the Alpha Quadrant."
     
  12. Belz...

    Belz... Commodore Commodore

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    Is that "cupcake" ?
     
  13. Titus Andronicus

    Titus Andronicus Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Indeed it is. And I hope he survived as well.
     
  14. thumbtack

    thumbtack Commodore Commodore

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    It's truer than ever. At least in Hollywood's mind. Even the cuts to Avengers were made because "only fans will get this"
     
  15. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Half the posts on this BBS are proof that the gap exists - the forum on any series, topics on any movie, posts about "the future of Trek" all manage to demonstrate repeatedly that hard core Trek fandom has different priorities than the vastly greater number of folks who just want to be entertained by entertainment.
     
  16. Ryan8bit

    Ryan8bit Commodore Commodore

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    My wife might be an example. Last night we watched TWOK and TSS back to back (thank you, STID!), and during TWOK she asked if this was after Khan worked with Starfleet... Yeah, she doesn't really pay much attention to Star Trek minutiae.

    Although for some reason she knew what Section 31 was, and I still can't explain that as I don't ever recall her watching DS9.

    Tonight is TVH! :)
     
  17. saddestmoon

    saddestmoon Commander Red Shirt

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    Saw this for the second time on Friday evening :D loved poring over all the lovely, juicy details again...

    Going to see this for a third time as well...

    :D It's that good!
     
  18. Belz...

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    Me too. I like backdrop characters that we can recognise.

    I kinda hope Carol Marcus will be back, too. I kinda miss Chapel and Rand, though.
     
  19. flemm

    flemm Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    "Hardcore" fandom represents only a tiny percentage of "fans," though. Not to mention that every fandom, of any kind, has the same mentality.

    The discussions on the BBS, for example, are no different from any place else where fans of something congregate.

    The majority of any given audience won't necessarily be an ardent fan of that particular franchise, but they will have been strongly connected to something similar at some point.

    The majority of the audience is not minimally invested in their entertainment.

    What each piece of entertainment is trying to do is spark that type of intense, non-casual interest. It's why a few years ago nobody knew what Game of Thrones was, and now everybody does.

    Of course people who throw Game of Thrones costume parties will always be in the minority, nonetheless. Established franchises have "built-in" investment, which is why they are attractive. It's much harder to start from scratch.
     
  20. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Well, the filmmakers clearly intend for Marcus to be available as a character aboard ship should the third story demand it. Probably a lot of that will depend on audience response to the character and to Alice Eve.

    Frankly, the show can use a second woman other than some random walk-on like Rand or Chapel.