Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.
Well I just saw it and it was good.
Actually a steak, medium well, would be great. This was as half baked turkey.
Completely agreed. Montalban's Khan laid it all out and explained everything you needed to know in his speech to Terrell and Checkov early on, and you instantly understood why he was so bitter and angry at Kirk.
Cumberbatch certainly came across as dark and sinister, but his desire to free his fellow supermen just didn't pack the same punch as the death of McGivers. And without that history with Kirk, their conflict didn't have the same weight at all.
Why hide his people in torpedoes when he knows Marcus wants a war? Doesn't seem like a safe place to me.
Did you want to see it in real time, stretched over about six hours?
I assumed the 72 were intended to soft-land, just like Spock's tube in ST III, and so that Khan's people could infiltrate the Klingons from the ground?
And then Kronos would be Khan's new colony world. Or so Marcus thought he'd led Khan to believe.
He didn't know they were in torpedoes until Kirk told him the exact number. From that, Khan deduced what, or who, was inside of them.
Agreed. It's just a figure of speech people. Obviously we realize that this IS Star Trek, because it's got the freakin name in the title and it's an official Paramount movie.
But just like many people (including me) felt the SW prequels didn't feel like the Star Wars we knew and loved, this movie didn't really feel like Star Trek to many of us.
It felt more like just another mindless, over the top action movie... that just happened to have phasers, Klingons, and giant starships in it.
I had to look up woobie. Are you actually saying Khan is a woobie? Okay I can see there is a woobie spillover from Sherlock but not having enamored myself with that character I'm woobie-less for this man.
Okay, I just saw the film Friday. It's a typical big dumb Hollywood action film, but that's all I expected so I can't say I was disappointed. It's like Transformers; check your brain at the door and just have fun. The theater wasn't too full, but we went pretty early.
Things I liked:
*It was better than the last film.
*Benedict Cumberbatch. Actually, he's mostly the reason I went to see the film. It was a bit disappointing he didn't say most of his cool lines from the trailers, but whatever. I thought he was a good Khan. No one can top Montalban, but Cumberbatch wasn't trying to, he just did his own thing and it worked, I think. Just as no one can top Jack Nicholson as the joker, but you can have a guy like Heath Ledger play the Joker his own way so that people don't even compare the two.
About halfway through the film, I came to the realization that Cumberbatch should have been cast as Spock. After two films, I still just can't see Zachary Quinto as Spock. He looks a lot like a young Nimoy, they've got him in the Beatles hair, but it just doesn't work for me. Quinto doesn't do subtle very well. His passive-aggressive stuff is over-the-top. All Nimoy had to do was stand there with a twinkle in his eye. Cumberbatch could have handled the subtleties better, I think. They could have given him pointy ears but otherwise kept his look as Khan. There was mystique to Spock in TOS Quinto just doesn't capture but Cumberbatch could have.
Anyway... the point is I liked Cumberbatch.
*The Klingons. Although I wouldn't have minded if they'd made them even look fiercer, more alien.
*The Praxis shout out.
*The mirror "Wrath of Khan" stuff. Or, at least, I liked the idea. I'm not sure it was all that well executed.
*Nimoy. Yes, it was an almost pointless cameo, but... well, it's Nimoy. The woman sitting behind me summed up my feeling. As soon as Nimoy's face appeared on the viewscreen, I heard behind me, "Yay!"
Things I didn't like:
*The God-awful Orci/Kurtzman dialog.
*More a criticism of all modern action films -- I hate how they're structured around set pieces. A movie written as so many set pieces makes for sort of a -- for want of a better word -- flat movie experience. Build up, action, come down; build up, action, come down; build up, action, come down. Action film producers don't seem to even think in classic screenplay structure anymore. You don't have the same slow build up to plot points, the peaks and valleys which draw you into the story and hold you. Now, movies are often begun with ideas for cool set pieces before there's even a story. It's a trend I don't like.
I took my dad, and he had a good time, and Cumberbatch was good, and it's always nice to see the Enterprise on the big screen, so overall it was fun time. But I don't plan to ever watch it again on DVD or BD.
Wow. Call me dumb, but I've never tried clicking on the numbers in an online TrekBBS poll before. Now I can see which members of the board voted which way!
And hey, thumbtack! After all your misgivings of a few weeks ago, you loved the film enough to give it an A+. I'm thrilled you got there and that the trip was worthwhile.
Well, at least have them head to Earth under power and loose power closer and be pulled down.
I thought Khan said he assumed his people were dead when he got caught trying to hide them so he fled and later attacked SF. So that begs the question if he knows Marcus is itching for a war and wants untracable weapons, why hide your people in the same weapons Marcus is likely to use in a preemptive strike?
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, but the two aren't the same thing. As for the SW comparison, anyone who feels like Lucas "raped () their childhood with the prequels" perhaps needs to seriously cultivate a greater sense of perspective.
The Immunity Syndrome had a space amoeba that had to be traveling at warp in order to eat multiple star systems over a few days. Obsession has a cloud that traveled at warp and there are plenty of other times that objects in Trek have moved far faster than they should be.
So it might be time to unclench...
I loved it. As watched seat 31, row BB screen 1 empire leicester square.
Well, I have no way of knowing if you saw episodes 4 - 6 when they were first released, but we had a long long long time to wait. So you can imagine how much time we had to imagine what more Star Wars would be like. And then it didn't live up to our expectations. Don't get me wrong, there are some very cool aspects to the prequels.
But those are fictional phenomena. A Super Nova is a known quantity. Now I understand they've retconned it to make since but that was not in the film. And while most people don't know about Super Nova's, I do. And as you'll see in previous posts my distaste for nuTrek is more deeper than the contrived plot devices they use to move the story.
Who is "we"? There are plenty of people who watched the OT when it came out and loved the prequels. If ROTJ came out today people would think it was godawful.
Awww, I'm recently home from the UK. Loved that theatre! Jealous!
I noticed my local JBHiFi has created a huge stand in the middle of the floor with all the Trek boxed sets prominently displayed, and all their DVD and BluRay shelves that had huge gaps in their collections have now been fully replenished and all versions of all Trek are now fully back in stock -- in high numbers.
YAY!!!!! That makes me happy.
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