STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    People have said satellite thingies dropped in space and phone call bouncing along the relays etc also militarization of starfleet makes for better telecommunications.
     
  2. DigificWriter

    DigificWriter Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I just got back from seeing the film, and J.J. Abrams and Co. have created a freaking MASTERPIECE of Trek storytelling that not only pays homage to the franchise as a whole, but surpasses the classic tales from which it draws most of its inspiration.

    Cumberbatch's role as Kahn was somewhat of an 'open secret' for most of the film's production/post-production, but one thing I wasn't expecting at all was to see the film combine the classic Kahn stories 'Space Seed' and 'The Wrath of Kahn' with elements of the story from Star Trek Insurrection (which made me extremely happy given that Insurrection remains my absolute favorite TNG film and one of my favorite Trek stories in general, despite its relative non-popularity with the majority of the fandom).

    Cumberbatch playing Kahn was, as I noted, kind of an 'open secret', but I'm rather surprised that nobody ended up spoiling Peter Weller's Admiral Marcus' role as an additional antagonist. Tying him in with Section 31 and Kahn was a brilliant decision, and really helped offset the fact that, as I mentioned, most Trek fans were already aware of who John Harrison really was.

    I don't know about anyone else, but I loved the film's take on the Klingons; it was great to see their ridged helmets, but I also liked that we got to see what they look like under said helmets, and really liked the new design that the production team came up with for them.

    I voted the film an A+ in the poll, and would've rated it higher had the option to do so been available. It's a phenomenal piece of storytelling and Trek lore and one of the best films I think I've seen in the last year or so.
     
  3. Shanndee

    Shanndee Commodore Commodore

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    Just got home from my first viewing. I had a lot of fun! I have a few quibbles...but they are minor and I got over them quickly. I'm a little tired, and it appears that I have over 2000 posts to catch up on. Oy!

    I'll join the conversation properly later!

    A-
     
  4. HaventGotALife

    HaventGotALife Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I agree with you to some extent, mostly about story. This has 80 episodes and 2 movies in this universe. Seeing it in a larger context at this point, causes weak stories that rely on that universe's history. It makes references to that history, and weakens the individual story being told and people let it pass because it feels like Star Trek, like something that has been done before. We are so bogged down in "did Star Trek do this before?" that we get lost in whether it's a good idea or not. Killing Kirk to save the ship, for instance, is an idea that can stand on its own. It's a good idea, but we don't see Kirk pushed to extremes before it, that earns the sacrifice. It relies upon Star Trek II to make its emotional climax. And that's a bad thing, in my opinion. It means the movie can't stand on its own. It feels like it's been done before.

    I think they need to realize what Gene's vision was of Starfleet. I will argue with you about that all day, because I think they are acting OUT OF CHARACTER. Whether the impulse deck looks sleek and long versus two separate triangles does nothing for the story.

    Whether Khan is British or Sikh or Latin is not about the character's performance unless (and he's not) the character is defined by being British or Sikh or Latin.

    Judging it against Star Trek (2009) is fine. Judging it against Star Trek: The Motion Picture or Star Trek: Insurrection seems foolish to me.

    I know this comes off as self-important and like I think I'm the smartest kid in the class. I'm sure I've ticked off a few people reading this. I just haven't seen much discussion about the meat that makes a movie. By the same token, if you talked about lighting and it didn't apply to the story, I would be annoyed with that as well.
     
  5. Xaios

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    In fairness to Uhura's derriere, it was blurred in the foreground as the camera focused on the Klingons she was walking towards, so it's easy to miss.

    Word of mouth is going to win people over to this movie. A friend of mine who is the most consummate film buff I know, and not a Trekkie in the least, just posted this on his Facebook:

    And thus, the latest Star Trek is, undeniably, the best film I've seen of 2013 so far. It's loud, brash, satisfying, exhilarating, and epic, from start to end, and it has a capable antagonist worthy of loathe and astonishment. On par, if not better, than the original, and highly recommended to anyone with working eyes and ears.
     
  6. teacake

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    What are the elements from Star Trek Insurrection?
     
  7. HaventGotALife

    HaventGotALife Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I think that refers to the evil Admiral and Starfleet needing someone to go against their orders to get Starfleet back to where it needs to be.
     
  8. DigificWriter

    DigificWriter Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Both STI and STiD feature a rogue Starfleet Admiral with connections to Section 31 as an antagonist, although, in STI, the connection isn't actually made apparent the way it is in STiD.
     
  9. Phily B

    Phily B Commodore Commodore

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    might be referring to the prime directive stuff which isn't really insurrection. i can think of plenty of better examples from all the tv shows and it was actually handled well in this film for once.
     
  10. Blue_Trek

    Blue_Trek Captain Captain

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    Also seat belts for when the action gets intense, in JJ's Trek universe, the Captain and the senior crew will die strapped to there chairs at there posts, not blown or thrown across the bridge to make things look more dramatically dire.
    I like it, it's logical :vulcan:
     
  11. Xaios

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    Uh, Dougherty isn't rogue in STI. He's acting on orders from the Federation Council. Also, if he's connected w/ S31, the movie makes absolutely no mention or indication of it.
     
  12. HaventGotALife

    HaventGotALife Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    It's practical. If Sulu is down by the viewscreen, how can he pilot the ship?
     
  13. DigificWriter

    DigificWriter Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Philly B, it might help if you read the thread before posting, because I explained what elements STiD borrows from Insurrection right before you posted. Both STI and STiD feature a rogue Starfleet Admiral with connections to Section 31 as an antagonist. They also share the common element/theme of the protagonists having to blatantly defy Starfleet rules and regs in order to defeat said rogue Admiral.

    Xaios, I acknowledged that Dougherty's connections to Section 31 weren't mentioned/made clear in the film itself.

    As to your second point, he might've had tacit permission to carry out the Ba'Ku relocation mission, but he was in fact acting as a rogue operative by actively keeping information from the Federation Council.
     
  14. teacake

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    By the end of this coming week I'm sure I will have watched STID more times than Insurrection :lol:
     
  15. HaventGotALife

    HaventGotALife Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I've seen Insurrection, since it's one my favorites, about 50 times. I don't think I have that kind of money. But more power to you. :rommie:
     
  16. Xaios

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  17. gornsky

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    What would qualify for you as discussion about "the meat that makes a movie?" Certainly I feel as if I've been talking about nothing else for 4 weeks.
     
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  18. indranee

    indranee Vice Admiral Admiral

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    THIS.

    Except.... this: A.

    I just saw it tonight. I'll do a review later, 1) when I've had more time to digest it and, 2) once I've seen it at least one more time.

    Just briefly, for me, Quinto's "Khaaaaan!!" brought it down a peg. Other than that, I was glued to my seat.
     
  19. teacake

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  20. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    It's FAST FOOD baby!!! Cuz, 'splosions.