STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. HaventGotALife

    HaventGotALife Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    You know one moment that got to me was Scotty looking at the fish. These are explorers, right? "Look, Captain, weird fish!" It wasn't going to eat the ship. Why was he weirded out by that?
     
  2. teacake

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    He's kind of jumpy.
     
  3. Crazy Eddie

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    That was a reference to the tie-in video game in which the Gorn were the major enemy (there's a line of dialog in the game where the landing party is forced to stun several attacking gorn, one of which turns out to be a pregnant female. McCoy, in a fit of misplaced compassion, performs an emergency c-section on female, only to have the newborn lizard almost bite his hand off).
     
  4. Xaios

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    Heh, I can see it now. Kurtwood Smith as future-Red Foreman saying "double dumbass on you" to Kirk. :lol:

    Just came from my 2nd viewing. Enjoyed it every bit as much! Theater was packed, too.

    This time around, I noticed just how incredibly... reptilian... Cumberbatch's expressions seemed. It was actually kind of mesmerizing. If he's ever offered an opportunity to play Satan in something, he would knock it out of the park.
     
  5. teacake

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    I was VERY upset to find out that Gorn don't lay eggs.
     
  6. Coloratura

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    I don't know, because then I'd be in the moral dilemma of having a crush on "Satan." :lol:
     
  7. CaptainStoner

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    I liked how the klingons were made to look defintely larger than humans. Fucking LOVED how much fun JJ let himself have with the Enterprise.

    A- for me. Overall fantastic. Just a touch too "actiony" for my taste, and I never felt like they were anywhere near klingon space. No ships, no outposts. Also hardly any ships or outposts around Earth.

    Say, did the Enterprise fire weapons even once in this film? I dont think she did.
     
  8. HaventGotALife

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    I agree with you. All the talk about Khan's ethnicity, the ships in Marcus' office, ship and engine room design, alien redesign of the Klingons, liking or disliking the homages to Star Trek II, none of this applies to the plot, theme, characters, emotional appeal of the movie, the consistency in the structure, etc. This is a movie, not a universe. I don't care that an engine deck has been redesigned. I didn't even notice. So it looks like the Kelvin. What is the difference? Would it be a better movie if it didn't change?

    As for the action, it was an adventure show. I haven't forgotten that, but my taste is Next Generation, where they would talk with great authority, on the problems facing people. I would rather have 2 hours of that, then 2 hours of ships exploding. There is more of that in this movie, as it has the theme of "vengeance" than in the last. Even named a ship after it. But would I rather see an exploding deck and a ship destroyed at warp, crash into a city, or would I rather see some of the emotional fallout from what transpired in the last 2 hours, I go with the latter every time. I want to know the characters and to have them more fully flesh out a theme. The action in this movie seems to have no symbolism, and action scenes I can get behind are reluctant defense (which Starfleet is supposed to be doing) and those that serve the other aspects of the movie. It moves the plot, but there is no reason why Harrison jumped through a glass pane instead of using the door. It just looks cool. That's not something I like. It means I am supposed to be enthralled with seeing someone run and the movie seems to stop, for large chunks of time, in telling a story to make something explode. That's what I don't like.
     
  9. Dr. Zaius

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    Just got back from the theater and WOW. 'A' for me, just a few corny lines and some very minor nit picky stuff holding it back from A+. For me it's as good as any of the other great Star Trek Movies. What really excited me was the feeling that this was the end of the beginning; we've seen the crew's origins and now we've seen them earning their place. The future of both this crew and whatever else might be coming in the near future really has me excited. To close up though: thought both Cumberbatch and Weller hit it out of the park as villains and loved Pine and Quinto's dynamic (Damnit Spock you made me cry you green blooded son of a bitch).
     
  10. Lord Lunacy

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    Now that you mention it, I don't think it did. It was too busy getting pounded by the black pearl...that was a serious beating too.
     
  11. teacake

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    From a fan perspective, that's where you're wrong. I didn't watch this as an isolated movie, I watched it as a chapter in my chosen universe. And I'm now engaging in an exegesis of the film which references the greater universe the film is set in. Now sure some people are annoying about it, anal and seemingly derailed by details but that just demonstrates how Star Trek is bigger than one movie.
     
  12. Classic Fan

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    So, it's been over a week since I've seen it, going again tomorrow.

    But, it escapes me, has anyone mentioned Kirks long distance 'live chat' pone call? :techman:
     
  13. Classic Fan

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    So, it's been over a week since I've seen it, going again tomorrow.

    But, it escapes me, has anyone mentioned Kirks long distance 'live chat' pone call? :techman:
     
  14. Hartzilla2007

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    Well to be fair it's agressive galaxy conquering Gorn from another galaxy, who according to background information acquired from scaning stuff on their ship and other Gorn stuff engage in high amounts genetic modification, that even includes adding genes from conquered species to their DNA, so mammalian birth was probably a result of that.
     
  15. Blue_Trek

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    I don't mind Spock yelling Khan in a homage to TWOK, I just think the timing is wrong.
    When he beams down to earth and see's Khan that's when could have yelled it.
    Sometimes a movie tries too hard to do something, and then it doesn't feel right.

    Also I never noticed Ohura's butt, and if I never noticed it, it isn't THAT gratuitous of a scene, not like Megan Fox bending over an engine in Transformers.
     
  16. Coloratura

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    This.
     
  17. teacake

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    Oh! Everything is copacetic now, thanks.
     
  18. CaptainStoner

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    Seems to me that, while keeping this film consistent with the last, Abrams responded to practically every Trekkie criticism. No lens flare to speak of here. Lights in your face much reduced. Kirk taken down a notch.

    * although I know full well that TOS is a brawl-a-thon, these films are almost nonstop action. I think one consequence is the universe doesnt feel vast in JJtrek yet. It never slows down enough to convey anything like that. But now he has a 5 year mission to explore.
     
  19. DarthPipes

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    A-

    I just got back from it and I have to say I really enjoyed it. It wasn't perfect to say the least. It has its slow moments, it's nonsensical moments, and I can't say I care about some of the left-wing politics. But my concerns were put to rest and I was very satisfied.

    I'm not in the mood to do a thorough review but I will agree that the Enterprise came to life in this movie in a way that it hasn't before. It had some really good, entertaining performances from Quinto, Cumberbatch, Pine, Pegg, Greenwood, etc. Definitely looking forward to seeing it again. Loved the fact that Section 31 was part of all this (something from DS9 that left an impression) and the various continuity shoutouts.
     
  20. teacake

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    What! It was FULL of lens flare, especially on the bridge. Which I've never minded.