STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. Pauln6

    Pauln6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I was glad to see Uhura get some screen time BUT the fact it was just her and a bunch of men on the ship is symptomatic of the problem the franchise has with its gender roles.

    Putting Uhura on the volcano mission and beaming her down to help Spock instead of a few security guards was silly. Putting her on those missions alongside qualified personnel would have been fine.
     
  2. Flux Capacitor

    Flux Capacitor Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I whipped this up after the first "Disruption" video came out, with Harrison's analysis of Kirk and played on the rumors that Harrison was Khan, although I very much believed he was not. Turns out I was spot on without knowing it. ;)

    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrd8-uUN2VQ[/yt]
     
  3. HaventGotALife

    HaventGotALife Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I think Kirk's threesome could've been cut from the film. I think it's a caricature of Kirk to say he would do something like that. I agree with you that Carol's underwear scene is gratuitous. I think showing Zoe's ass was another faux pas. It's not perfect, but the character of Uhura is 10x better than any woman in Starfleet before her. It's just not to where it needs to be outside the Star Trek world.
     
  4. teacake

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    Yes it was completely silly to have her on the volcano mission and insane to beam her onto that transport rather than a security dude. But it was also good to see them giving the women something to do other than open hailing frequencies. It doesn't make a huge amount of sense but it's better than the alternative.

    When are we going to have a woman villain?
     
  5. Kruezerman

    Kruezerman Commodore Commodore

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    Kirk's threesome was there to show how immature he was, same with him ogling at Uhura. As for Uhura herself, she's an independent woman who rose through the ranks using her expertise and genius, and you can't really fault her for caring about her boyfriend. For God's sake the man lost almost everything, literally.

    Equality isn't numbers here. It's the actions.
     
  6. teacake

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    I have no problem with Kirk having sex with two beautiful women, especially at his age. Maybe TOS Kirk would have a little whisper in his head saying "be discreet" and maybe.. he wouldn't. And maybe in this century enjoying yourself in bed with some tail (SEE WHAT I DID THERE) is not "something like that" but just mutual recreation.


    When did they show Zoe's ass?

    And yes, gratuitous underwear. I would have preferred to see her in bed with someone if they wanted to flash her underwear. But whatever. I think we're getting some foreshadowing for Kirk's future relationship with her.
     
  7. CorporalCaptain

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    Agreed. Although Star Trek's been guilty of overusing its main cast, from the very beginning. It could have been a female security officer, too, who was beamed down instead instead of Uhura, by the way.

    Dunno about next time, but we've already had the Borg Queen.
     
  8. Pauln6

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    In the comics both Zahra and Rand take on the roles of security, although I favour keeping Rand as Kirk's yeoman because it gives her more of a connection to him and to the action. At the moment, they've glossed over why she is a yeoman at all.

    Admiral Marcus should have been Carol's mum. Anybody who has watched the Manchurian Candidate could see a parallel. To late now though - nothing but male admirals in this reality. Buttlerfly Effect dontcha know?
     
  9. royalfan5

    royalfan5 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I went prepared to fully love the movie, yet it struck me somewhat cold. I ended up giving it a B-. That being said, I will see it again to double check my original impressions. I think the thing that was the most off putting to me was all the call backs to TWOK. I felt like the writers were using a sledge hammer to get the point that this is Star Trek across when they just needed a regular hammer. Of course there was still a lot of stuff I enjoyed, and I probably would have really enjoyed a Robocop reference or two, especially if they could have gotten Kurtwood Smith involved in this iteration of Trek as well.
     
  10. teacake

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    Oh I forgot about her.. JOKE!!

    I want someone the caliber of Louise Fletcher or Polly Walker on the big screen as THE villain in a Trek movie.
     
  11. mattman8907

    mattman8907 Captain Captain

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    Kirk's speech near the end of the movie was just amazing. you can actually hear the experience and maturity in his voice coming out and i can't wait to see how seasoned he will be when film 3 comes out.
     
  12. Opus

    Opus Commodore Commodore

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    I wonder how far in the future the next film will be. I'm thinking maybe the fourth year into their five-year mission.
     
  13. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I'm still scared that Star Wars will keep the third film from us.
     
  14. HaventGotALife

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    As she's walking towards the Klingons, her ass is in the shot. It's about 5-10 seconds of just watching her walk with the Klingons in the background.
     
  15. mattman8907

    mattman8907 Captain Captain

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    yeah they do need to make the characters a little bit older to match the actors that's playing them. heck John Cho is the oldest actor at 40, he's playing a 20 something year old Sulu.
     
  16. RAMA

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    Between the speech and the start of the 5 year mission, this was one of the best endings of any ST movie.
     
  17. teacake

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    I was too busy thinking about scared she obviously was, and how she was pulling herself together to also think "oh that is her ass". Because you know when people walk in front of you of course you see their ass. Maybe you just noticed this because you like her ass?
     
  18. HaventGotALife

    HaventGotALife Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    [sarcasm]Yeah, it's my fault.[/sarcasm]
     
  19. mattman8907

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    I wonder if in the third film we will see Carol and Kirk hooking up and having David.
     
  20. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Seriously, I have seen this movie three times AND I like a nice woman's body as much as the next person. I do not recall any gratuitous ass scenes and if you are saying that you could see her ass because she was walking away from the camera.. SO? You can see everyone's asses in that position. What was gratuitous about it?