STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. HaventGotALife

    HaventGotALife Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I agree. Khan was just a nod to the Star Trek fans that wanted to see him. He's really a bland character that could've been played by any superman. They could've done this story with anyone in the 23rd century on another planet. Aided in help from an alien race that hasn't evolved to the point humans have. A little makeup on the British guy, and a completely different movie.
     
  2. CorporalCaptain

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    :p They just didn't use the word "drone", IIRC.

    But, yeah, I puzzled over that before I wrote it: those were 23rd century magic fantasy torpedoes, as opposed to Hellfires. If allegory and metaphor aren't words for it, what is?
     
  3. HaventGotALife

    HaventGotALife Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I agree that is in the film. I just think there's no one who gives a good argument for the better angels of our nature. Everyone acts terribly (not the actors' craft, but the character's choices). And saying what should be done at the end, doesn't do it for me. I think it asks an important question, but it's not fully fleshed out because we don't have 4 hours and there's an action movie to make! I think it could've been done better. Good Trek, good effort, but not done well enough for me to see this movie over and over again.
     
  4. KirkusOveractus

    KirkusOveractus Captain Captain

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    Because Khan was their leader, and according to the principle laid out in "Space Seed", his chamber is programmed to be activated first, to see if the conditions allowed for awakening of the others.
     
  5. cbspock

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    One other little cool effect I liked in the film, when they order clear all moorings, we finally see stuff being disconnected from the hull :) Also the view from the space station as Enterprise pulled away was nice. I really like the hybrid "view screen / window"


    I also assume the thrusters we see fired on the bottom of the saucer are used for re-entry so Enterprise can land in a dock on the ground, or in the water :p


    -Chris
     
  6. trevanian

    trevanian Rear Admiral

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    Well, they only bumped it from xmas to summer after it was finished (Par had kept TREK clear of summer since TFF in the very competitive summer of 89), so more the need for just some kind of blockbuster.

    The way Par looked at TREK clearly changed.

    Compare: they threw nearly as much money at 1997's EVENT HORIZON (about 60 mil, though for some reason IMDB has it listed as 50 mil now -- I had a source put it at 75mil at that time, but nothing to back that up) as they did on any of the original TREK TNGfilms, yet there was certainly no guaranteed minimum return on EH like they had with the franchise.
     
  7. flemm

    flemm Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I agree that it's good to see this. It's pretty similar to Paradise Lost thematically, though that episode was made well *before* 9-11, which is impressive.

    The additional element of the long-range missile strike is a very nice touch, though.
     
  8. Ryan8bit

    Ryan8bit Commodore Commodore

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    I'm sure del Toro would've been fine too, but I have little reference for Cumberbatch. I did see that brig scene with Kirk and Khan, and it definitely seemed like Cumberbatch way outshined Pine. That image Dennis posted of that scene made me laugh out loud so hard.

    I'm not really talking myself into anything though. I remember when Enterprise first aired and there was a whole lot of the same stuff. "What!? It's four days to Qo'noS? The ship looks like the Akira? Blah blah blah." And despite all of that I still managed to love the pilot episode of the show (at the time).
     
  9. cbspock

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    I wonder what changed at Paramount that they finally gave some love and attention to Trek, and decided to roll the dice on rebooting the franchise? Was it the success of other franchises that went through a reboot like Mission Impossible, Batman, James Bond???


    -Chris
     
  10. HaventGotALife

    HaventGotALife Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Maybe they realized that they had to do something grand in scale to get anyone to see it after Nemesis. And the best way to do that was through a re-boot.
     
  11. cbspock

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    I thought of DS9 Paradise Lost and Homefront in terms of into Darkness's themes. It is amazing how a lot of what Star Trek questioned still applies to today. Like A Private Little War and A Taste of Armageddon.


    -Chris
     
  12. Ríu ríu chíu

    Ríu ríu chíu Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I'll just repeat what I said earlier: I do not care what reasons Khan might give for doing what he did. I don't care what he's been through - it doesn't make what he does "right". He simply does not have the right to vengeance - his actions during the Eugenics Wars (and in TOS) show what kind of person he is. Khan has no right to lecture anyone about how Admiral Marcus held his fellow Augments for ransom. As we saw in TOS, Khan simply has no compassion of any kind, and has no concept of caring for other people. Yeah, yeah, he called McGivers his "beloved wife", but we also saw how Khan actually treated her as well. It was just one step removed from assault.

    As for Khan being forced to work for Marcus? KHAN DESERVES IT.. He deserves everything he got from Section 31. I'm no fan of that group or its motives in general, but as far as Khan being forced to work for them? Good! Let the murdering bastard get his! He can't possibly make up for all the hell he and his Augments put Earth through, but it'd be a start.
     
  13. LizK

    LizK Commodore Commodore

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    Actually, when Khan was explaining how he had been the only one unfrozen, and then his people used to blackmail him, he was somewhat sympathetic - he was doing everything he could to protect his "family." And the fact that ALL were put into a cryogenic "prison" was a form of exile - only they won't be able to come back in 20+ years and bother the crew.
     
  14. Pauln6

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    I dunno - they put a LOT of effort into making the technology credible but futuristic in TOS - how else do you think much of it became reality? The TMP Enterprise always seemed to me to be a thing of absolute beauty and it remains the definitive Enterprise for me. The plans of the ship, for the most part, seemed credible, even though I'm not an engineer, although i admit that all the flashing lights and buttons have to give way to touch screen tech.

    The JJprise just seems... less credible - like a fanboy's wet dream, although I'd be very interested to see what real engineers make of the designs.

    Two really odd points are that the ship seemed to lose warp power, impulse power, thrusters, and emergency batteries all at once. And in the 21st century we use robotic drones to survey high radiation hot zones for a reason.
     
  15. gornsky

    gornsky Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    It actually does "work". It's the Target Chamber at the National Ignition Facility in California. They were filming there for a while, in keeping with JJ's approach that he likes to film in "realistic" surroundings where possible. I think it's cool that the NIF is like a modern-day parallel to a Starship Warp Core.

    I just found this great YT vid that aims to explain in simple terms how it works. When you get to the end of the animation, you'll see the target chamber, which you should recognise from the film.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yixhyPN0r3g
     
  16. CorporalCaptain

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    Star Trek has been behind the curve when it comes to robots, from the very beginning. Even Lost in Space had a robot!

    It's worth pointing out, though, that had there been engineering drones, or even waldos, of some kind, the plot could have ixnayed them, by saying that radiation in the core would fry out their duotronics or whatever. Scotty: "The core is the one place the Rovers can't go."
     
  17. CaptainDonovin

    CaptainDonovin Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Wow, I'm actually going to post something outside of treklit.

    Just saw it (twice back 2 back) & loved it. I know a bunch of fans are likely unhappy with our villan & some of the reused themes but I enjoyed this movie, may be my personal top three behind FC, TWK, & 09. Loved the emotion, the flow, the action. Loved how McCoy did more than diagnose someone, Scotty got into a fight, Chekov was under under utilized but had good scenes. Oh, & Uhura kicked ass. The scene in Mudd's shuttle was funny & touching.

    Someone elsewhere got a sense of The DS9 two-parter involving Red Squad (Homefront & Paradise Lost) & I saw hints of that as well. Sure the bad admiral theme came back, seemed like every other captain in TOS was dirty. Loved the fact Nimoy had a cameo & the tribute at the end, that was awesome.

    Looking forward to seeing it again.
     
  18. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Commodore Commodore

    I was kinda disappointed that the chamber kirk went into didn't have more glowing effects (Lens Flares??) in it.

    Seemed like a bit of a let-down after seeing what Spock stuck his head into for TWoK.
     
  19. Coloratura

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    To me, it looked more practical, and I loved that.

    Also, and I know not everyone had this reaction, but in the death scene, where Kirk says, "ship out of danger?" I damn near pissed myself with fan glee.
     
  20. Phily B

    Phily B Commodore Commodore

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    I dunno if anyone noticed, but it looked like Kirk was sparkling when he was in the reactor and looking up at it >_>