STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. ConRefit79

    ConRefit79 Captain Captain

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    I get that. But they've never been convinced before that a Star Trek movie could deliver that. After ST:TVH, the most successful film to that point, they still did not allocate much money for the next film.
     
  2. Ryan8bit

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    Do you actually understand what's going on there? At first it was just a white Montalban Khan (the antithesis of Salvor Hardin's avatar), but over the past couple weeks it's been undergoing a gradual metamorphosis...

    I hear what you're saying about the nitpicking, but like part of me thinks that sometimes that it goes overboard and actually affects how I feel about the movie. Take Nemesis for example. When I left the theater I felt moderately entertained (although somewhat uneasy), but then the fridge logic settled in and I decided that I really didn't like the movie at all anymore.

    Anyways, I'm hoping to have fun tonight. I told my wife that whenever a Star Trek movie comes out I can't seem to focus on much else. Dang it, that's so true.
     
  3. BillJ

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    I think they were simply happy with a moderate guaranteed return on investment. There was no risk involved.
     
  4. Shilliam Watner

    Shilliam Watner Commander

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    I have a question. Did Cupcake survive in the firefight with the Klingons? I watched but everything happened so fast in the action, I never saw what happened to him.
     
  5. Franklin

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    I've been looking at it (your avatar) over time. I think today is when it finally clicked after staring at it for a couple of minutes. :lol:

    Oddly enough, my wife (never a Trek fan at all) had no problem with TFF. She thought it had some very good moments and "liked it fine." So here I am at dinner after the movie, the one who's been a fervent Trek fan since the late-1960s, and I'm the one explaining to her why it was such a bad movie and she shouldn't like it. Go figure.
     
  6. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Commodore Commodore

    Makes me wonder if their first pick for the role (Benicio del Toro?), could have pulled it off as well as Cumberbatch did.

    I try very hard not to let myself "talk" myself into NOT liking something.

    I just go with my first impressions and hang onto them for dear life no matter what I hear or read...

    Letting Logic dictate my entertainment choices, usually results in me missing a fun time. :hugegrin:
     
  7. ConRefit79

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  8. CorporalCaptain

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    How very much like TOS of it, to have such a metaphor.
     
  9. Chu'lak

    Chu'lak Lieutenant

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    Yep, they both did. Cuz they took off their red shirts :guffaw:

    Poor Chekov and his look of terror
     
  10. Tai

    Tai Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Sorry if this has been answered already.

    Why does Chris Hemsworth recieve a credit in the end credits as George Kirk?
     
  11. BillJ

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    Used his voice when Kirk is coming back to life.
     
  12. Tai

    Tai Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Thanks, that was my assumption.
     
  13. flemm

    flemm Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Yeah, I enjoyed this aspect of the film. I thought it was explicit but not overbearing.
     
  14. Amasov

    Amasov Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    There were several lines I'd hope they would have lifted from the original "Space Seed" episode. When Khan says his name to Kirk, if only Kirk could have said, "Khan, nothing else?"

    McCoy has a line in that episode that's my all-time favorite.

    "Well, either choke me or cut my throat, make up your mind."

    But the plot didn't really call for that line anyplace.
     
  15. Franklin

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    Back before his chewing out by Pike, didn't Kirk brag to Spock that he hadn't lost a crewman the entire year he was in command? Cupcake should've been the first. Oh, well.
     
  16. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Very TOS, but I don't think it can be called a metaphor or even an allegory - can it? A remote missile is a remote missile rather than symbolically representing...a remote missile. ;)
     
  17. Amasov

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    In discussing it with a buddy of mine, we both agreed that it may have been cooler had they awoken someone else out of stasis rather than Khan. Even though it is an alternate reality, seriously, what were the chances they awaken the same person as Kirk did?

    Personally, if they had awoken someone else, it would have been surreal if when the camera panned over the rest of the others in stasis, if we did see someone that looked like Ricardo. My gripe was just, from the time the Botany Bay was in space, it shouldn't have been affected by the changes in the realities, so theoretically, shouldn't Khan resemble his TOS counterpart? I wouldn't mind, it was just that Cumberbatch, to me, doesn't have any sort of resemblance to Montalban. Plus he speaks with a British accent, but, hey, that's just me.
     
  18. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    If they're going to do "Space Seed" I'd have felt cheated if it were anyone but Kha-a-a-a-a-a-an!
     
  19. cbspock

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    He actually has differentiated himself from Bush. We are now shipping arms to our enemies, we are using drones more often to wack a terrorist than capturing them for intelligence purposes. There are more drone strikes under Obama then Bush, and Obama has no problem using them against citizens without due process. So there are big big differences if you pay attention.

    I am glad Trek has gone back to doing social commentary, it throws the ideas out there, you don't have to agree with it, but it throws the questions out there for it to be discussed.


    -Chris
     
  20. Tai

    Tai Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    When Kirk screamed at Khan I actually thought he was going to say "You are a terrorist!" Using the word "criminal" instead appears to have been a deliberately alternate choice of phrasing.
     

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