STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    18.7%
  2. A

    20.7%
  3. A-

    13.1%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    8.0%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    5.4%
  8. C

    5.1%
  9. C-

    3.5%
  10. D+

    1.5%
  11. D

    1.6%
  12. D-

    1.3%
  13. F

    5.7%
  1. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    You haven't seen the movie. Most folks here have. So given that you have no idea what the movie is like...what are you laughing at? :p
     
  2. Irishman

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    Wow. They had me convinced in the leadup to the film that he WASN'T Khan, and I fell for the whole Harrison, Section 31 "cover story" hook, line and sinker.

    When they revealed him to be Khan, I had a sinking feeling, because I was having a moment of "holy shit, where are they gonna go with THIS now??"

    But, I got pulled back in very quickly. I am still on the fence on the whole reversing the last scene of Twok, where Kirk dies. But I knew right away that they were going to be able to use Khan's miracle blood to bring him back (even before the tribble started purring).
     
  3. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Okay, I give up - what are you honestly trying to be?

    I couldn't disagree more.

    Abrams's two movies are more evocative of Star Trek as I watched it on NBC than any of the previous TOS-based films featuring the original cast.
     
  4. Franklin

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    Well yeah, of course it would be because they're not in their fifties and sixties, yet. ;) Could you imagine Doohan's Scotty running through the Vengeance? :p

    Going tommorow night. IMAX 3D. Can't wait.
     
  5. ConRefit79

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    I'm laughing at the quote. Which is from a comment someone made on the Wired review. I thought it was funny.
     
  6. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Why? There's nothing even a little clever about it, other than on a sort of pre-adolescent school lunch room "cut-down" level.
     
  7. KirkusOveractus

    KirkusOveractus Captain Captain

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    OK, my head's starting to hurt here. You start out saying it's horseshit, then you say you love it.
     
  8. flemm

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    I guess I'm not sure what the ADD thing is really referring to (it's one of those derogatory comments that gets thrown around all the time, by the way, in this context).

    Admittedly, for a while there, very choppy editing and incoherent action sequences were the norm in these blockbusters, and, as I recall, Trek '09 did suffer from that a bit. I can be annoyed by that, but I never had that type of reaction here.

    If anything, the film seemed to take a bit of a cue from the Avengers and go for a much less choppy, more choreographed style for some of the action. For example: Khan and Kirk "space-sledding" or being catapulted or whatever between the two starships. That was a beautiful sequence.

    I hope that approach is becoming more the trendy thing to do.

    There's plenty of action, but I never felt like it was out of hand or cluttered from that point of view.
     
  9. KirkusOveractus

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    My thinking is that the Wired review is drawing from a prejudice against Trek 09 and it's filming style mainly. This movie had less flares and was definitely less choppy.
     
  10. ConRefit79

    ConRefit79 Captain Captain

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    Whatever. You go right on defending this film.
     
  11. ConRefit79

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    Well, the Lens flare comment and Star Trek Into Decadence was the main thing that got me.
     
  12. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I'm praising it - success is its own defense. ;)

    Of course, having seen it I'm in a position to have an informed opinion. :cool:
     
  13. Amasov

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    :lol:

    If any Trek story was to be rebooted, I'd want this one to be.
     
  14. ConRefit79

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    I know the whole story. Its all over this thread. I don't have to go see it to know I don't like the story.
     
  15. LOKAI of CHERON

    LOKAI of CHERON Commodore Commodore

    With respect, and despite of what you've read - I find it almost inconceivable you'd make a call on a movie you haven't actually seen.
     
  16. flemm

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    The Lens flares were toned down quite a bit, nowhere near as glaring.

    Regarding the "Decadence" part... I guess I could see that, but not really moreso than entertainment of this sort generally is.

    In point of fact, the "Into Darkness" part of the title doesn't really correspond to much of anything in the movie. I guess that is just the fashionable "sequel vibe" or whatever, since the Dark Knight. But there's little to no actual Darkness.

    Which is fine, in passing. I like the bright, colorful palette of the film overall.
     
  17. Dave Scarpa

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    Absolutely agree there was no reason to make Harrison Khan. Make him one of Section 31's operatives pissed at being hosed by Marcus for some reason, but then they'd have to write a real ending to the movie. Same reason they did not have to use an Alt-timeline in the first film. Use Spock as a framing Device, telling the story of their first meeting, Had they done that this Khan story would have never happened
     
  18. Dave Scarpa

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    Yeah but if the success of these films, leads to Trek on TV like this series of films, I'll stick with what I already have its enough
     
  19. hamudm

    hamudm Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    OK, now I think that I'M the one trapped in an alternate universe! What kind of topsy turvy world has STID>ST:TUC????

    I'm just going to leave now.

    EDIT: People are creaming their pants over this movie for the same reasons that people heaved dung at Nemesis... this whole thing really has me baffled. I'm questioning my own sanity right now... am I even awake?
     
  20. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    A movie is not a story, and a story is not a plot. This narrowness and misunderstanding is, in fact, where a lot of fan critics fail.

    You may not need to see a film in order to decide to dislike it, but you do have to see it for your criticism of it to have any validity worthy of addressing as such.

    Respecting the right of people to hold any opinion they please is not the same as the content of the opinion itself being worthy of respect.

    Pass.