Star Trek III - The [Speculation Begins] (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Admiral Buzzkill, May 23, 2013.

  1. jks

    jks Cadet Newbie

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    Sorry for revising an old thread, but I like the idea of a "Search for Pike/Menagerie" mashup.

    We know that Spock mind-melded with Pike before he died in Into Darkness. So what if Spock starts exhibiting Pike-like behavior, much like how Bones started acting like Spock in ST III. Kirk starts noticing, and is like "OK, what's up with that?" Spock reveals that his mind meld with Pike had the unexpected consequence of absorbing Pike's "Kantra", even though he's not Vulcan.

    Spock also goes into memory flashes where he experiences Pike's encounter with the Talosians and the beautiful Vina. Spock then melds with Kirk to show him Pike's memories. Light bulb goes off in Kirk's head, and Kirk decides that they must bring Pike's Kantra to Talos IV, which is off limits and illegal to travel there. All kinds of shenanigans with Kirk and crew along the way, interspersed with more Spock flashbacks of Pike's time with Vina in the Talosians' Illusion-world.

    At the end, the Talosians successfully transfer Pike's consciousness to some kind of vessel or body, to be reunited with Vina in love forever.

    The original Pike was a tragic figure indeed, but he did get some bittersweet redemption in the Menagerie episode. Into darkness had all the tragedy and pointlessness of Pike's original accident which left him crippled, but lacked the redemption. For me being a Pike fan, bringing his Kantra back to Talos IV would be an enormously satisfying conclusion to the trilogy, and would bring the franchise full-circle to Gene's original pilot with Jeffrey Hunter. It seems fitting somehow.
     
  2. Dantrek

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    I really don't know where you take Star Trek at this point. I would like an original story but it would have to be written well and without that swiss cheese of plot holes that was Into Darkness. I would like to see Kirk fight the Borg but with the assistance of the planet killer from the original series. I believe it had been postulated that the the planet killer was designed as a doomsday machine against the Borg. Since Star Trek Countdown confirms that Neros ship was a Romulan/Borg hybrid vessel, lets say he sent a signal to the delta quadrant before its destruction as a proximity beacon for the Borg. I would have rathered Star Trek Into Darkness (which is a terrible title) would have been original and although I love Cumberbatch, I think Kahn needed to stay lost for a while. That script was just terrible.
     
  3. Mage

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    What's with this fascination some people have of bringing the Borg into this? Old Trek with the Borg will only appeal to a very small audience. The reason nuTrek is doing so well in theaters, is because it's appealing to non-fans aswell, and this actualy creating new fans in the process. However, if you rehash stuff from other series into a new movie, no one's going to get it, most older fans will hate it, and every change of ever getting any new Trek is basicly gone.

    What I want from nuTrek 3 is exactly what I got from the other two.
     
  4. CorporalClegg

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    BS. Zombies are in.
     
  5. Lance

    Lance Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Hmm. I guess by that reasoning using Khan was a mistake, then?
     
  6. sonak

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    I'd like to see a crossover where Kirk fights a resurgent Sith order.
     
  7. Mage

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    I'm still not 100% sure on that myself. I feel that the movie could have work just as well if Harrison was just a genetically engineered superhuman, not Khan himself. But atleast Khan was part of TOS. This need to bring something from every show into nuTrek baffles me.

    But yes, short answer, it could have been just John Harrison.
     
  8. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    Had it? In dialogue from the original episode, Spock says that:
    and, in response to the question of who would build such a machine:
     
  9. King Daniel Beyond

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    The idea that it was built to fight the Borg comes from Peter David's novels Vendetta and Before Dishonor. They retconned Spock's line to mean it left our galaxy and flew around part of it and re-entered - the rationale being that a machine that feeds on planets wouldn't find any fuel in the intergalactic void and so would never manage the journey.
     
  10. Hober Mallow

    Hober Mallow Commodore Commodore

    Everything's connected in the continuity porn land of Trek fiction. :)
     
  11. Beyerstein

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    I'm in favor of restoring the timeline and wrapping it up by the end of the third movie.
     
  12. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Admiral Admiral

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    'Restoring' makes no sense, since we've been repeatedly told by TPTB and in the expanded universe (comics, novels, games) that the original Trek timeline is still there existing in parallel to this one.

    It would also be extremely unsatisfying for those of us who actually like these versions of the characters, to see them erased.
     
  13. Maxillius

    Maxillius Commander Red Shirt

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    I want to see Bajorans and Cardassians. I want to see Kirk and the Federation kick some serious Cardassian tail and prevent the occupation. I'd also get a kick out of the wormhole getting screentime (imagine the 3D thrill-ride that can make out of THAT!)

    As a Niner, that would be a bittersweet thing, to see the Bajorans get out of 50 years of pain while in a single movie my whole favorite Star Trek series gets wiped out of the timeline.
     
  14. sonak

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    I'd pay to see Pine play the role of captain Kirk possessed by a crazy woman. Who is going to play Lester?
     
  15. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Good to know that four-and-a-half years after Star Trek 2009, people still don't understand branching timelines.
     
  16. Sindatur

    Sindatur The Grey Owl Wizard Premium Member

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    They could always give the role to Carol Marcus. Maybe they almost start something, and Carol feels used and jealous and goes off the deep end :devil:
     
  17. Belz...

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    Who cares ? You know you can still watch DS9, right ? They didn't grab all copies of the DVD and destroyed them along with the master tapes. I don't see what the problem is, even if we assume that the original timeline has been wiped.
     
  18. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    ^ Which, fortunately, it has not.

    Logically speaking, the Abramsverse can never be undone, since nobody in the prime timeline knows anything about it (from their POV, Nero and Spock just vanished and were never seen again), and if somebody in the Abramsverse tries to do something like slingshot back and destroy Nero, that'll just create a third timeline - it won't eliminate the second one.
     
  19. JarodRussell

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    The concept of non-linear aliens living in the wormhole and interacting with linear Bajor doesn't work with Abramstrek's concept of time travel anyways. I don't think the wormhole aliens produced an infinite amounts of Benjamin Sisko's to fulfil their plans in all the parallel universes, and every time they interact with him, they create a new universe. No no. They need one timeline that is subject to predestination paradoxes and bla.
     
  20. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Depending on what one thinks of the novels, there is one that opens exactly that way. With multiple versions of Ben Sisko.

    I can't remember which book... maybe The Neverending Sacrifice or The Soul Key?

    EDIT: It is Fearful Symmetry.