Star Trek Federation: The First 150 Years

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  1. DEWLine

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    I prefer the "fought in public and on the public record" assumption about the Eugenics Wars myself. Since the whole thing's an alternative future-history anyways...and what was aired on TV implied that, as horrific as it was, it wasn't fought in North America. We simply got lucky one last time re: our physical isolation.

    Again, apologies to Greg Cox.
     
  2. Christopher

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    ^Well, sure, I'd be happy to see that version of the Eugenics Wars fleshed out too. It's not a matter of preference; Star Trek tie-in fiction over the decades has often given us multiple versions of the same event, as far back as Gold Key and Bantam giving us different versions of McCoy's divorce and his daughter, or DC and Pocket giving us differing versions of Kirk's first mission on the Enterprise. We're up to seven or eight versions of the end of the 5-year mission by now.

    But the novel continuity is what it is, and the DTI novels and Greg's EW novels are both part of it. That doesn't make Greg's version better or worse, it's just the one that's in the same continuity.
     
  3. Caesar753

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    I got this book for Christmas and though I've only read the first chapter, I'm loving it so far.
     
  4. datalogan

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    I always had the idea that Earth and Humans were able to bring so many different races together (that were once enemies) and become pretty-much the center of the Federation because humans (in the Star Trek universe) are so much more cosmopolitan than other races. Other races are so mono-cultured. But humanity has tons of different races and ethnicities, who all went from world war to working together in less than 100 years (somehow) in the Star Trek universe. THAT is the special skill that the humans bring to the Federation.
     
  5. Christopher

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    ^But those other races can't have started out monocultured. Their ancestors must've lived in different regions on different continents and developed into distinct societies with their own languages and customs; it's just that by the time they got into space, their planets had become more unified or more dominated by a single culture.

    In which case, maybe the key is that humans achieved warp drive earlier in the process -- or, to put it another way, took longer to consolidate. And thus that kind of cosmopolitanism, as you put it, was a more recent part of our history.

    Although I think what ENT showed is that the reason humans were able to bring others together and take a leadership role is because humans were the only ones without a history of enmity with the other races, and thus were the only ones trusted to be neutral and fair.

    It could also simply be that younger civilizations are hungrier, more ambitious, more driven to grow, while older, more settled civilizations are more set in their ways or content with their lot. For most of history, China was the most advanced and prosperous civilization on Earth; but it was therefore content to stay as it was, whereas the poorer, more backward English civilization was more driven to expand its influence and increase its prosperity, leading it to rise to global dominance and outpace the older, more settled civilizations of the world.
     
  6. datalogan

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    Some things discussed in this book that supposedly take place around the timeframe of your next novel, Christopher:
    -The Enterprise NX-01 return to Earth seen in “These Are The Voyages” and the speech Archer makes in that episode are on 2161 Jan 18, at the beginning of the second convention for the Coalition of Planets Charter, called for after the Romulan War.
    -Federation Charter, which was signed and Federation established on 2161 Oct 11, was made at this second convention to make a Coalitions of Planets Charter.
    -Earth Ambassador to the convention that made the Federation Charter was Thomas Vanderbilt. He’s credited with coming up with the name “United Federation of Planets”. He also became the first President of the Federation, not Nathan Samuels, the current President of United Earth.
    -Admiral Douglas, who had been the head of Earth’s Starfleet during the Romulan War, did not become head of the new Federation Starfleet, but instead started Starfleet Academy, which was founded on 2161 Dec 13.
    -Daedalus starships were warp-7 ships that were made by Starfleet after the founding of the Federation (not earlier during the Romulan War).
    -USS Daedalus was commanded by Malcolm Reed.
    -USS Horizon captained by Vince Waldron.
    -Archer retires from Starfleet as an Admiral in 2169, then becomes Ambassador to Andoria by 2174. Then becoming a representative on the Federation Council in 2175. Then Federation President in 2185.
    -Prime Directive adopted in 2178, based a lot on Archer’s work.
     
  7. Sci

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    Most of those contradict various aspects of continuity established in the novels, particularly the ENT Relaunch.

    Just a few off the top of my head:
    • ENT: Last Full Measure established that the Federation Charter was signed at the Candlestick Auditorium in San Francisco on 12 August 2161, not 11 October
    • ENT: The Romulan War established that the Coalition of Planets had virtually collapsed prior to the founding of the Federation, which replaced it
    • Nathan Samuels was Prime Minister of United Earth, not President; he was a signatory of the Federation Charter along with United Earth President Lydia Littlejohn
     
  8. datalogan

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    That was my mistake. The Federation 150 book does identify Samuels as "United Earth Minister", not "President" like I said in earlier post.

    Still, obviously lost of other inconsistencies between the book and the current Enterprise novel continuity.
     
  9. Christopher

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    Well, that's a good way of reconciling the inconsistency of Deanna's line in TATV about the convention being the first step that would "lead to" the Federation. Of course, the novels handled it differently. Then again, since I'm picking up after the UFP already exists, I don't have to worry about that.


    The name Thomas Vanderbilt for the first UFP president comes from unseen production art for Star Trek Generations, an article from Picard's family album. The Romulan War novels established Vanderbilt as Earth's defense minister during the war, though he was called the environment minister in the chapter depicting the signing of the charter. I also independently went with Vanderbilt as the first president.

    I don't recall any source claiming that Nathan Samuels ever became the UFP president. There is a reference in To Brave the Storm's final chapter to a "Nathan Samuels Room" at the Palais de la Concorde, but I think the novels established that the Palais was the Earth Prime Minister's residence before it became the UFP President's.


    In canon, Admiral Gardner led Starfleet after Forrest died, and he was the commanding admiral in the RW novels as well. Douglas was mentioned in passing in TATV and The Good That Men Do, but that's about it.


    The novels have established that Daedalus-class ships had been around well before the war, in fact.


    There is a Daedalus-class ship and crew appearing in A Choice of Futures, but it's neither of those.


    This is from Mike Sussman's bio screen for Archer in "In a Mirror, Darkly Part 2," so it comes as no surprise. None of this conflicts with what I'm doing, though of course ACoF is only in 2162-3.


    Again, no conflict. Interesting choice of date. It's unclear when the PD was established, but New Frontier: Double or Nothing mentions a 2175 Resolution of Non-Interference which was an important step toward the later establishment of the Prime Directive.
     
  10. Sci

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    Not exactly. Articles established that the Palais existed as early as Haroun al-Rashid's presidency; Beneath the Raptor's Wing established that the U.E. Prime Minister maintained an office at the Place de la Concorde, future site of the Palais, in the 2150s, but not that the Palais itself existed.
     
  11. Hando

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    Can some one point out to me where it was said that Gardner was the head honcho of Starfleet?
    After all in 2151 he was only a captain, and suddenly in 4 years he is in charge, even though there are more experienced admirals already in place?
    Is it not possible that Gardner was to Douglas as Douglas MacArthur to George Marshall during WW2? Please forgive me if any misconception as I was just trying to find a good example...

    Nathan Samuels Room can be explained. When the Palais was built the Prime Minister of United Earth, probably still Samuels, had offices there.

    Does nobody else have a problem with Archer's Presidency? The years appear wrong to me!
    If we go by Articles and every President had a regular run then the presidencies should be 2161-2165-2169-2173-2177-2181-2185-2189-2193, so how come Archer is President from 2184-2188-2192?
     
  12. Christopher

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    All I know is, in ENT's fourth season, after Forrest died, every time an admiral was mentioned as giving orders to NX-01, it was Gardner, with Douglas only being mentioned in TATV. The four post-series ENT novels to date consistently portray Gardner as the go-to admiral in Starfleet Command, at least an equal to Admiral Black. Admiral Douglas is only mentioned in passing in the first two novels and not at all in The Romulan War.


    Within the context of the First 150 Years book's version of events, sure, it's possible. But we've already established that the novelverse version of events is different.


    Well, Barack Obama was re-elected President of the United States in November 2012, but his second term won't begin until Inauguration Day, January 20, 2013. So if the Federation has a similar gap between election and inauguration, it could be that Archer was elected in 2184 but didn't actually begin his first term until 2185.
     
  13. Hando

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    That would make sense and would have been better where it not for the fact that the bio gives the exact years 2184-2192 /President, UFP 2184-2192/.

    It is possible that there was no president in 2161-2162 and the first President of UFP enters office in 2163 so we have the Presidencies 2163-2167-2171-2175.

    Although my take is that 2161-2164 was Vanderbilt's provisional term as President of the Federation Council/President of UFP. Followed by regular 4-year-termers al-Rashid, T’Maran, sh’Rothress, someone from Centauri and someone from Tellar. In a typical Council fashion.
    While Mark Wells 2196-2201 brought it back in synch and adapted the direct election.

    But that's just me and until it is disproven, I am sticking with it. Which it already may have been.
    So please excuse my ramblings.
     
  14. Stevil2001

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    Didn't Articles establish that if there's a midterm election (such as Bacco had), that the new president starts a new term instead of completing the previous one? That would make it impossible to back-calculate electoral terms with any accuracy, I would think.
     
  15. Christopher

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    The bio isn't strictly canonical anyway, so don't worry about it. Barely glimpsed numbers on a screen aren't absolutely binding.
     
  16. Cap'n Crunch

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    Has it previously been established what the term length of the President is? I had thought it was four years, but Silent Weapons seems to indicate a six year presidency. According to Memory Beta, Bacco was elected/took office in October 2379. Silent Weapons takes place two months after The Persistence of Memory, placing it in March 2384. Page 120 says, "...and now they were plotting strategy for next year's reelection campaign..." which would be 2385. That would make it a six year term of office for the Federation President, unless Bacco's been re-elected once already. Also, the presidential term could have been different at various points in the Federation's history.
     
  17. Christopher

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    Bacco started her term early due to her predecessor's resignation, so maybe she gets an extended term until the next regular election year. Although I guess 2384 would be an election year under the established cycle.
     
  18. Sci

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    That makes no sense. The Palais was specifically built to house the Federation President and Council. Why would they give office space to a Member government in a Federation building? It would be like putting the Governor of Maryland in the United States Capitol.

    Simpler explanation: Nathan Samuels gets a room named after him because he was a key player in founding the Federation.

    Yes, but it also established that there had only ever been one other special election in Federation history: Held after Hiram Roth died on the day he was re-elected. That special election, therefore, just filled the next term (Ra-ghoratreii won that one) to which Roth had been elected; the implication was that a President Pro Tempore just served out what was left of Roth's extant term.

    However, Articles did not establish whether Federation Presidential terms of office are set by statute or by the Articles themselves. If they are statutory rather than constitutional law, then it's always possible that term lengths have varied over the years.

    Another possibility: Perhaps Archer won the election in 2184 for the term of office commencing in 2185 (and ending in 2189), but his predecessor died unexpectedly after the election but before he assumed office. The Council may have then just appointed him President Pro Tempore to serve out the remainder of his predecessor's term before being sworn in for his 2185-2189 term. That bio screen, then, may have been simplifying the situation. Plenty of potential justifications! :)


    Well, Articles and A Time to Kill established that 2372 was the election year, and Enterprises of Great Pitch and Motion established that Zife's first term began in the first month of the calender year immediately following.

    So, under the original, pre-Bacco cycle, it went like this:

    2364: Election year: Amitra of Pandril wins (TNG Season One)
    2365-2369: Amitra's term of office (TNG Seasons Two through Six)
    2368: Election Year: Jaresh-Inyo wins) (TNG Season Five)
    2369-2373: Jaresh-Inyo's term of office (TNG Seasons Six and Seven, DSN Seasons One through Five)
    2372: Election year: Jaresh-Inyo loses, Min Zife wins (DSN Season Four)
    2373-2377: Min Zife's first term (DSN Seasons Five through Seven)
    2376: Election Year: Min Zife re-elected
    2377-2381: Zife's second term
    2380: Election Year
    2381-2385: Term of office
    2384: Election Year
    2385-2389: Term of office
    2388: Election Year
    2389-2393: Term of office
    2392: Election year
    2393-2397: Term of office
    2396: Election year
    2397-2401: Term of office
    2400: Election year

    Etc.

    Articles seemed to established that when Bacco took office in late 2379, the 2379 Special Presidential Election terminated the old cycle and started a new one. It was unclear if this new cycle would have future terms of office beginning at the start of the calender year immediately after an election year, or if new terms would commence the same year as the elections.

    So it would either go like:

    2379: Election
    2379-2383: Term of office
    2383: Election
    2383-2387: Term of office
    2387: Election

    or like:

    2379: Election
    2379-2384: Term of office (extended)
    2383: Election
    2384-2388: Term of office (standard)
    2387: Election

    Now Silent Weapons indicates a 2385 election. This implies that Bacco's term of office has extended; this is not unjustifiable, of course, what with the Federation having suffered the worst disaster in recorded history in the Borg Invasion.

    Perhaps her first term was extended, but future terms of office will remain 4 years. Or perhaps all future terms of office will be six years. It is yet unclear.

    If we're moving to six-year terms of office, then the cycle moving forward should look like this (assuming, again, that a term of office commences in the first month of the calender year immediately following an election year):

    2379-2386: Bacco's term of office
    2385: Election year
    2386-2392: Term of office
    2391: Election year
    2392-2398: Term of office
    2397: Election year
    2398-2404: Term of office
    2403: Election year

    Etc.

    Assuming that it'll revert back to four-year terms of office, though, the cycle should look like this:

    2379-2386: Bacco's term
    2385: Election year
    2386-2390: Term of office
    2389: Election year
    2390-2394: Term of office
    2393: Election year
    2394-2398: Term of office
    2397: Election year
    2398-2402: Term of office
    2401: Election year

    Etc.

    So... one way or the other, looks like there'll be an election in 2397! ;)
     
  19. Markonian

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    For what it's worth:
    In STO: The Needs of the Many it is established that the Saurian Aennik Okeg is elected president of the UFP in 2392, re-elected for a second term in 2398 and for a third term in 2405. He's still president as of 2409. :vulcan:
     
  20. Enterpriserules

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    I have my review out here.
     

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