Star Trek: Axanar

Discussion in 'Fan Productions' started by Linnear, Sep 24, 2012.

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  1. dswynne1

    dswynne1 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    The funny thing is that having "gross violence" is a lot more tolerable than the use of profanity and sexuality as a vehicle to tell a story. Go figure...

    But as to what you have said: using a straw man argument is misuse here, since TOS had had violence depicted on screen, including battles where characters died...on screen. But I do understand what you are saying. A storyteller should be giving the right to be artistic, after all, including the use of vulgarity. All I am saying is that if having less profanity does not detract from the story, why use it to begin with? And since TOS had very little vulgarity, you can easily say that in the context of the program, we are going to be creative about conveying the same message without the use of vulgarity. I personally have no problems with using profanity, and I am sure that the actress had no problem being referred to in a derogatory way while in character. All I am saying is that PtA should have an audience that caters to as many people as possible, and not get needlessly hung up on artistic licensing.
     
  2. dswynne1

    dswynne1 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    And the words I would like to use to describe a person who cares about how I write censored expletives, out of respect for this board (and those who frequent it) is "get bent". Is that comprehensible to you?
     
  3. Deckerd

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    I thought it was a well done production. I'm not that bothered that its focus was narrow because it's an introduction to a specific thing. My biggest quibble is was Terra supposed to be Earth? Because it's called Earth.
     
  4. beamMe

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    Earth/Terra - it's the same word.

    Actually, I think you should use an "are" here:
     
  5. skree

    skree Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Anyone here good at the Klingon language (or at least passable) - could spell out in Klingon (using Marc Oakrand Klingon dictionary and Phrase book) what Admiral Rameriz is saying in Klingon "The strategy of least respect" thing as well as Sam Travis saying about the Klingon tactic called the "devourer" . please
     
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  6. Hartzilla2007

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    I also think using Terra instead of Earth may be something from the 80s novels which this film takes after.
     
  7. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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    I have a few thoughts about "Prelude," which I might write a longer post on. First reaction, very well-done production with some fairly good acting. Only one performance I felt was bland. However, I want to add my two credits on "Queen Bitch Whore" that Kate Vernon's character is saddled with.

    My offense to the term isn't that it isn't Klingon. It's to the exact words. Why is it that when we see a capable, strong woman in any fiction, someone who opposes her must use those words — "bitch," "whore", "queen" (usually with the modifier of "ice")?

    I'm tired of seeing these words used to describe any woman who can hold her own.

    The use of the term to describe Sonya was cliched and hackneyed. It would've been really interesting and unexpected had the Klingons hated Garth while admiring Sonya as a worthy opponent. That they liked her warrior's fire.
     
  8. beamMe

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    Quite possible.
    I always think it sounds nice when aliens in sci-fi (not just in Star Trek) call our planet by its Latin name.
     
  9. beamMe

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    It's not that uncommon that male characters are referred to as "goddamned motherfucker", "you lucky son of a bitch" - and so on and so forth - in an somewhat admiring fashion.
    I suppose this is the same case here with Vernon's character.
     
  10. Noname Given

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    Seriously, Why? Remember, the production is about a history of a war where THOUSANDS died on both sides, and emotions were high on both sides. I have a feeling some people who are honestly oversensitive about this think the production staff are somehow doing a 'dig' at strong women or something.
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    That's ridiculous. In the context of the story they're portraying; that the Klingons did that isn't a dig, it makes perfect sense, and adds background to the situation. Hell, the character herself is basically laughing at the fact that the Klingons did that - and proving them wrong every time she showed up, survived, and kick Klingon ass. Taken IN CONTEXT, there's nothing wrong with how it was portrayed. Warfare is not, nor will it ever be 'politically correct'.
     
  11. dswynne1

    dswynne1 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    And yet you can still "get bent". Please do so.
     
  12. Kruezerman

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    McCoy called Spock a green blooded son of a bitch in III. Was there outrage then?

    They called her a bitch, not a cunt.

    Did I miss the memo when we became puritanical? We want a strong female lead, but it's almost we want humans as a whole to be weak and limp wristed. I don't know what it'll be like in the 23rd century, but I seriously doubt it'll be the world of absolute PC. Where everybody's Mr. Rogers and shit. We want the human adventure, but we don't want humans in it, we want caricatures.

    I hope they say "fuck" in this film. Make y'all's heads explode.
     
  13. BillJ

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    I think this says it all.
     
  14. Maurice

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    I think some people are jumping to conclusions, taking "I didn't like that line" to mean "the filmmakers shouldn't do that." No one's advocating censorship here. We're just expressing our reactions to the film and YMMV.
     
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    I'll buy that The Line is uncharacteristically strong language for Star Trek, but it's all apparent that it didn't have the effect on Alexander that the Klingons intended. It really is just lashing out at one who was frustrating to the Klingons. Who knows what she said about them?

    Besides, previous iterations of Star Trek have made it clear that profanity hasn't gone away by the 23rd century, even among humans.
     
  16. Kruezerman

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    And double dumbass on you!
     
  17. Mage

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    Not picking a fight here. Just saying you said we ALL have issues. I don't. I know more people that don't. I know people that accept all series and movies for what they are (even fan-films), without issues. You can believe that or not, that's your choice. All I know is, saying ALL is an overstatement.

    If you think that's picking a fight, well.... Lemme just say that telling people to get bent (one of your other posts) says more about who's picking fights here then you might like to think.
     
  18. urbandefault

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    This whole "Queen Bitch Whore" thing is pretty much a throwaway line. If the actress had a problem with it she could have taken it up with the writer/director/producer, whoever. Obviously it wasn't enough of an issue for her to refuse to say it.

    As a Starfleet captain, the character would already have had a pretty thick skin. You don't get to that position by running away sobbing every time some jackass throws a barb. You learn to give as good as you get.

    I'd think that getting that far inside the enemy's head would be a badge of honor, something to brag about to your peers over drinks at the O Club.

    War is ugly, and being called names by the enemy is hardly one of the ugly parts.

    On the other hand, if they'd called her mother the Queen Bitch Whore ... the Klingons would have been obliterated right then and there. You don't talk smack about a Captain's Mom. :lol:
     
  19. Coloratura

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    I'm fairly certain that it's Martok, playing the role of J.G. Hertzler. :D
     
  20. Deckerd

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    It's not the same word. One's a dead language and the other's the English name of the planet. Star Trek always referred to Earth which is natural. They also referred to our race as human so they wouldn't sound like a 50's B movie.

    I understand that at this time there would be people from Earth who were not human but I always like the way the folks on B5 referred to them as Earthers and their funny foreign ways.
     
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